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My apologies, mbreese, but I actually must go through your comment line by line. You seem like a good guy, but you are way off base about a lot of the facts her
by temphn 15y ago
My apologies, mbreese, but I actually must go through your comment line by line. You seem like a good guy, but you are way off base about a lot of the facts here.
Your quote from the doctor was for an FDA regulated
diagnostic test, with a known error rate.
FDA validated diagnostics generally have much, much smaller sample sizes than 23andMe. For example, this FDA approved diagnostic only has a few hundred samples tested:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/K083846.pdf http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cdrh_docs/reviews/K083846.pdf
23andMe has done tens of thousands, on much more highly varied populations (including many South and East Asians in addition to Caucasians). Their confidence intervals are just much tighter.
The 23and me test is not a diagnostic and doesn't have a
known error rate for such purposes.
No. The error rate of iSelect custom assays is well known and can also be empirically estimated from the above data.
I know affymetrix (their vendor) has been working in
getting things approved for diagnostic uses, but I don
think that snp chip has been approved yet.
Affy's genotyping platform was approved many years ago. 23andMe does not use Affy, but rather Illumina.
So, even if you were cleared for the genetic condition by
23andme, could you trust the results to make a clinical
judgement? So far the FDA says no. And if I remember
correctly, I'm pretty sure 23andme would agree.
Several different issues are being confused here:
* whether the test is "diagnostic grade"
* whether 23andMe says the test should be used for medicine
* whether the FDA will permit 23andMe to sell the test at all
* whether all applications of genetics are medical
* whether there is even any point in distinguishing between medical and nonmedical interpretation when "interpretation" often just means "Googling the variant" or "looking up the Pubmed papers"
These techniques work for research because you always run
replicates, so any random error is taken care of.
The raw base accuracy of these platforms is not really at issue. The primary source of error is not genotype assessment, but the genotype/phenotype maps derived by researchers in the literature.
You can easily tell whether someone has an A/A at a position. You cannot easily tell whether that "A/A" means that they will come down with a complex condition like diabetes.
The key question is whether you believe 23andMe should be free to report what was openly published in Pubmed about that "A/A" variant's effect, or whether they need a $50 million government license to do this.
- mbreese 15y agoThe CFTR test you mentioned is a PCR test, the Illumina arrays are hybridization, correct?. If so, the two tests are not directly comparable in terms of error rates. I know that hybridization assays have good error rates, but that errors in calls do happen. Any time you test that many SNPs, errors happen. Do you also get the confidence measures for each call? But, I agree, this isn't really the issue. As I said below, I'm not trying to say that 23andMe shouldn't exist. I actually like them very much, and think that they've done a great job at getting the general public to understand how genetic variation affects your chances of developing a complex disease. I also think that they have an amazing data set that they can use to mine more genotype/phenotype interactions. I think that 23andMe are one of the good guys in this. But I do think that there needs to be a line between performing genotyping and giving out medical advice. I don't know where that line needs to be drawn. For example, the 'A/A' variant you used may be reported to be involved in diabetes in one paper, and then later explicitly found to not be involved in another. So, what do you tell the person who has the variant? What about after the second paper is published? Here's another example: a single deletion in CFTR (well, triad causing the loss of a phenylalanine) is responsible for 70-80% of cystic fibrosis cases. The remaining 20-30% are caused by hundreds of other variants. What if someone was concerned about being a carrier, and used one of the personal genetics services to find out. What if they had one of the rare variants and it wasn't on the array? They should have a medical professional help them interpret their results in order to make sure that they know the limitations of that testing. Final case: Let's say someone submits their DNA for genotyping and are told that they have the Huntington's variation. It would be grossly negligent to tell someone this without some degree of medical/genetic counseling follow-up.