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> many other places were pushing the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. I might be out of touch but isn't it fairly established at this point that - for certa

> many other places were pushing the Russia collusion conspiracy theory. I might be out of touch but isn't it fairly established at this point that - for certain definitions of "collusion" - it was factually true? i.e. not "Trump got together with Putin and hatched a plan" true but "both sides obliquely acknowledged the interests of the other with a nod and a wink" true?

dontcarethrow2 6y ago
I'm not one for comprehension, but are you stating that if China prefers to have Biden at the helm, and if he wins that they colluded to get him there? Quite the gymnastics friend.
- andybak 6y ago
  No - I'm saying in addition to "Russia prefers Trump at the helm", there was some (direct or indirect) contact between the two parties and some awareness and (implicit or explicit) encouragement from the Trump camp for Russian actions. Surely there is a meaningful distance between that and your formulation?
XorNot 6y ago
It has also been proven more and more true as time goes on - i.e. the FBI's recent report that Rudy Guiliani was targeted by Russian intelligence to feed disinformation to Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-biden-ukraine-russian-disinformation/2020/10/15/43158900-0ef5-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-bi... Not to mention this essentially public attempt at it from 2016 which for some reason everyone laughed off as "a joke": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/trump-russia-clinton-emails.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/trump-russia-... (footage of the moment included in the article). Literally the only reason "oh it was just not true" is a prevailing bit of logic is because no one in power has cared to do a single thing about it, or even so much as announce that it's in no way acceptable.

dontcarethrow2 6y ago

I'm not one for comprehension, but are you stating that if China prefers to have Biden at the helm, and if he wins that they colluded to get him there? Quite the gymnastics friend.

andybak 6y ago
No - I'm saying in addition to "Russia prefers Trump at the helm", there was some (direct or indirect) contact between the two parties and some awareness and (implicit or explicit) encouragement from the Trump camp for Russian actions. Surely there is a meaningful distance between that and your formulation?

XorNot 6y ago

It has also been proven more and more true as time goes on - i.e. the FBI's recent report that Rudy Guiliani was targeted by Russian intelligence to feed disinformation to Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-biden-ukraine-russian-disinformation/2020/10/15/43158900-0ef5-11eb-b1e8-16b59b92b36d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-bi... Not to mention this essentially public attempt at it from 2016 which for some reason everyone laughed off as "a joke": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/trump-russia-clinton-emails.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/us/politics/trump-russia-... (footage of the moment included in the article). Literally the only reason "oh it was just not true" is a prevailing bit of logic is because no one in power has cared to do a single thing about it, or even so much as announce that it's in no way acceptable.