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Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conse

by 4bpp 6y ago

Relevant SSC article: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservative-the-eternal-struggle/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/01/neutral-vs-conservativ... > The moral of the story is: if you’re against witch-hunts, and you promise to found your own little utopian community where witch-hunts will never happen, your new society will end up consisting of approximately three principled civil libertarians and seven zillion witches. It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. I do wonder what the mainstream's response will be when this website inevitably actualises its witch-coven destiny (though it may already have according to some). Based on the apparent billionaire backing, it may not depend on payment processors (which otherwise seem to be among the most willing pieces of infrastructure to summarily cut off "extremist" customers), but it will probably still require Cloudflare to weather DoS attacks, a DNS record and carriers willing to provide it connectivity.

axguscbklp 6y ago
>It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. It would probably be a terrible place to live physically, but not necessarily a terrible place to visit online. Places such as the ones SSC refers to are terrible places to visit for people who get deeply emotionally hurt when they see hateful discourse and for people who lack the skill of filtering low-value content in search of high-value content. However, both the skill of being unaffected by hateful discourse and the skill of rapidly finding high-value content in an ocean of low-value content can be learned. I think that learning those skills is worthwhile because in strongly free speech areas, one can often find high-value content that is difficult or impossible to find in thought-policed places.
- odessacubbage 6y ago
  didn't scott erase his entire community and body of work out of fear of being subjected to a witch hunt? the witch doth protest too much. >I think that learning those skills is worthwhile because in strongly free speech areas, one can often find high-value content that is difficult or impossible to find in thought-policed places. i have had far more positive experiences & formed some of the most valuable connections in my life on 'toxic' freespeech sites than i ever have on twitter. it's actually shocking sometimes how much more caustic and genuinely awful twitterposters are than anons. you see the same thing in online games. free for alls tend to breed a certain amount of community enforced values while games with heavy oversight & no shit talk end up being much more miserable experiences.
julienreszka 6y ago
America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?
- 4bpp 6y ago
  I mean, the implications of having "seven zillion witches" clearly depend on what the witches being hunted in question are. Over the duration of America's existence, waves of immigrants arrived from Europe for reasons ranging from belonging to an extreme and/or politically undesirable religious movement, plain poverty, or finding themselves on the wrong side of a war or ethnic cleansing. When Europe decided that it would persecute Jews, the place that did not perform Jew-hunts did probably in fact attract innumerably many more Jews than people who opposed persecution of Jews on principle; it's just that the hyperbolic "seven zillion Jews" did not turn out to be detrimental to a locale's flourishing in a way that the witches of legend are assumed to be in the metaphor. (On the other hand, one could argue that the seven zillion persecuted religious fanatics that formed many of the earlier strata of immigrants did in fact have an adverse effect on the country where they got concentrated. Is the provenance of midwestern millenarians, https://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/open_the_gates_that_the_righteous https://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/open_the_gates_that_t..., Scientology and other UFO cults entirely coincidental?)
- pestaa 6y ago
  Most attractive country? This is the particular crap only an American would say.
  - julienreszka 6y ago
    I'm not American, I'm French. Just look at how many people are asking for visa to get there
- int_19h 6y ago
  If you mean the Pilgrims, that's not quite true. They fled from persecution in Britain, sure enough... to the Netherlands, which was very liberal by the standards of its time. And then they fled the Netherlands, because they found the place to be too liberal, and thus "morally corrupting" their community - they wanted a society where sin would be actively persecuted.
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
Hopefully, with a new administration, those carriers will be declared “common carriers” and won’t be able to disconnect them. Don’t know if this is ironic or not.
odessacubbage 6y ago
>actualises its witch-coven destiny doesn't matter because the msm will tell you it did either way and you'll believe them without a second thought and then post midwit pisstakes when yet another independent community inevitably gets deplatformed by chokepoint monopolies. because we still totally have free speech right? just don't say the wrong things 4head!

by 4bpp 6y ago

axguscbklp 6y ago

>It will be a terrible place to live even if witch-hunts are genuinely wrong. It would probably be a terrible place to live physically, but not necessarily a terrible place to visit online. Places such as the ones SSC refers to are terrible places to visit for people who get deeply emotionally hurt when they see hateful discourse and for people who lack the skill of filtering low-value content in search of high-value content. However, both the skill of being unaffected by hateful discourse and the skill of rapidly finding high-value content in an ocean of low-value content can be learned. I think that learning those skills is worthwhile because in strongly free speech areas, one can often find high-value content that is difficult or impossible to find in thought-policed places.

odessacubbage 6y ago
didn't scott erase his entire community and body of work out of fear of being subjected to a witch hunt? the witch doth protest too much. >I think that learning those skills is worthwhile because in strongly free speech areas, one can often find high-value content that is difficult or impossible to find in thought-policed places. i have had far more positive experiences & formed some of the most valuable connections in my life on 'toxic' freespeech sites than i ever have on twitter. it's actually shocking sometimes how much more caustic and genuinely awful twitterposters are than anons. you see the same thing in online games. free for alls tend to breed a certain amount of community enforced values while games with heavy oversight & no shit talk end up being much more miserable experiences.

julienreszka 6y ago

America was created by people who fled persecution, and turned out pretty well. It is the most attractive country on earth. What are you talking about?

4bpp 6y ago
I mean, the implications of having "seven zillion witches" clearly depend on what the witches being hunted in question are. Over the duration of America's existence, waves of immigrants arrived from Europe for reasons ranging from belonging to an extreme and/or politically undesirable religious movement, plain poverty, or finding themselves on the wrong side of a war or ethnic cleansing. When Europe decided that it would persecute Jews, the place that did not perform Jew-hunts did probably in fact attract innumerably many more Jews than people who opposed persecution of Jews on principle; it's just that the hyperbolic "seven zillion Jews" did not turn out to be detrimental to a locale's flourishing in a way that the witches of legend are assumed to be in the metaphor. (On the other hand, one could argue that the seven zillion persecuted religious fanatics that formed many of the earlier strata of immigrants did in fact have an adverse effect on the country where they got concentrated. Is the provenance of midwestern millenarians, https://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/open_the_gates_that_the_righteous https://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/open_the_gates_that_t..., Scientology and other UFO cults entirely coincidental?)
pestaa 6y ago
Most attractive country? This is the particular crap only an American would say.
- julienreszka 6y ago
  I'm not American, I'm French. Just look at how many people are asking for visa to get there
int_19h 6y ago
If you mean the Pilgrims, that's not quite true. They fled from persecution in Britain, sure enough... to the Netherlands, which was very liberal by the standards of its time. And then they fled the Netherlands, because they found the place to be too liberal, and thus "morally corrupting" their community - they wanted a society where sin would be actively persecuted.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago

Hopefully, with a new administration, those carriers will be declared “common carriers” and won’t be able to disconnect them. Don’t know if this is ironic or not.

odessacubbage 6y ago

>actualises its witch-coven destiny doesn't matter because the msm will tell you it did either way and you'll believe them without a second thought and then post midwit pisstakes when yet another independent community inevitably gets deplatformed by chokepoint monopolies. because we still totally have free speech right? just don't say the wrong things 4head!