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This is certainly a line of thinking. Of course the alternative is: 1. Tech platforms were too slow with limiting extremist viewpoints 2. Instead of keeping e

This is certainly a line of thinking. Of course the alternative is: 1. Tech platforms were too slow with limiting extremist viewpoints 2. Instead of keeping extremist views isolated, this allowed them to pick up more support. These groups continue to move more and more extreme, and more popular. 3. Delays in taking action to prevent the spread of these views allowed the combination of extremism and popular support that empowered people to make outrageous claims. Of course, the presidential bully pulpit being used to stoke these ideas didn't help. We could argue about which of these mis more likely all day.

Veen 6y ago
I agreed with you until the last paragraph, where it became clear that your problem isn’t with extreme views in general, just the sort of extreme views Trump is likely to endorse. That’s exactly the bias that people behind Parler aim to exploit (or provide an escape from, depending on your view)
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  I was discussing the exact same set of views as the parent: those espoused on "Parler, TheDonald, etc" (and also subtly objecting to the parent's proposed timeline. The_donald started self-radicalizing long before it was quarantined. In fact, it was the radicalization that took place in the Donald that led to its subsequent quarantine and removal). I certainly do take issue with extreme views on the other side, but those views are usually things like crystal healing, not Coups.
  - Veen 6y ago
    I imagine this view will not be looked on with approval, but the ethos espoused by the BLM cadre is explicitly anti-capitalist and anti-police. To many who are right of center, that looks like an extreme left-wing view that is not only tolerated by tech and social media companies, but actively promoted. It’s not all crystals and homeopathy.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      Well, it is those things, but it's not explicitly pro violence, it's anti racist, and it's not based on lies or misrepresentation. In each case the inciting incidents actually happened and in many we have footage. I think many on the right under estimate how much slack the right really do get from Twitter and YouTube. Refusing to ban bannon after he called for the execution of the FBI director (does that count as anti police?)
      - Veen 6y ago
        > it's not based on lies or misrepresentation. In each case the inciting incidents actually happened and in many we have footage. To play devil's advocate a little: BLM's ideology (the core activists, not the average supporter) is based on a specific view of anti-racism — critical race theory. CRT is not the only way to think about race, and many would argue it's a bad way to think about it: it's illiberal, divisive, wedded to ideologically left-wing ideas about power and social relations, and not particularly amenable to evidence-based thinking. In fact, it could be argued that the CRT is a huge misrepresentation. Furthermore, while each of the "inciting incidents" did happen, so did hundreds more involving every racial combination of police and victim you can think of. It is a misrepresentation to focus on a subset of incidents because it moves focus from the actual cause of the problem. It is not racist police. It is poorly trained, unaccountable, and psychologically unsuited police officers. You could drum every racist police officer out, make every one of them take the knee and attend endless mandatory bias classes until only dyed-in-the-wool CRT advocates are left, and these incidents would keep happening until training and recruitment undergo a radical change. Moderate right-wing people don't oppose or fear "anti-racism" or the support it receives in the corporate world because they are racist, but because they think i) It doesn't work and can't work, ii) it's a bad diagnosis, iii) it leads to socially damaging second order effects.
        pjc50 6y ago
        > could be argued that the CRT is a huge misrepresentation All I've heard of CRT has been misrepresentation by its opponents. I'm not sure what actual proponents say about it. The problem goes further than the police into the prosecutors, too. Hence the refusal to prosecute in cases of murder by police of black people. > make every one of them take the knee This is not what is being asked for and itself is a common misrepresentation.
- watwut 6y ago
  Common, plenty of extreme left content and people were suppressed. It is just that each group complains primary about own suppression and never able suppression of other groups. And extreme left groups are also smaller.

Veen 6y ago

I agreed with you until the last paragraph, where it became clear that your problem isn’t with extreme views in general, just the sort of extreme views Trump is likely to endorse. That’s exactly the bias that people behind Parler aim to exploit (or provide an escape from, depending on your view)

joshuamorton 6y ago
I was discussing the exact same set of views as the parent: those espoused on "Parler, TheDonald, etc" (and also subtly objecting to the parent's proposed timeline. The_donald started self-radicalizing long before it was quarantined. In fact, it was the radicalization that took place in the Donald that led to its subsequent quarantine and removal). I certainly do take issue with extreme views on the other side, but those views are usually things like crystal healing, not Coups.
- Veen 6y ago
  I imagine this view will not be looked on with approval, but the ethos espoused by the BLM cadre is explicitly anti-capitalist and anti-police. To many who are right of center, that looks like an extreme left-wing view that is not only tolerated by tech and social media companies, but actively promoted. It’s not all crystals and homeopathy.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    Well, it is those things, but it's not explicitly pro violence, it's anti racist, and it's not based on lies or misrepresentation. In each case the inciting incidents actually happened and in many we have footage. I think many on the right under estimate how much slack the right really do get from Twitter and YouTube. Refusing to ban bannon after he called for the execution of the FBI director (does that count as anti police?)
    - Veen 6y ago
      > it's not based on lies or misrepresentation. In each case the inciting incidents actually happened and in many we have footage. To play devil's advocate a little: BLM's ideology (the core activists, not the average supporter) is based on a specific view of anti-racism — critical race theory. CRT is not the only way to think about race, and many would argue it's a bad way to think about it: it's illiberal, divisive, wedded to ideologically left-wing ideas about power and social relations, and not particularly amenable to evidence-based thinking. In fact, it could be argued that the CRT is a huge misrepresentation. Furthermore, while each of the "inciting incidents" did happen, so did hundreds more involving every racial combination of police and victim you can think of. It is a misrepresentation to focus on a subset of incidents because it moves focus from the actual cause of the problem. It is not racist police. It is poorly trained, unaccountable, and psychologically unsuited police officers. You could drum every racist police officer out, make every one of them take the knee and attend endless mandatory bias classes until only dyed-in-the-wool CRT advocates are left, and these incidents would keep happening until training and recruitment undergo a radical change. Moderate right-wing people don't oppose or fear "anti-racism" or the support it receives in the corporate world because they are racist, but because they think i) It doesn't work and can't work, ii) it's a bad diagnosis, iii) it leads to socially damaging second order effects.
      - pjc50 6y ago
        > could be argued that the CRT is a huge misrepresentation All I've heard of CRT has been misrepresentation by its opponents. I'm not sure what actual proponents say about it. The problem goes further than the police into the prosecutors, too. Hence the refusal to prosecute in cases of murder by police of black people. > make every one of them take the knee This is not what is being asked for and itself is a common misrepresentation.
watwut 6y ago
Common, plenty of extreme left content and people were suppressed. It is just that each group complains primary about own suppression and never able suppression of other groups. And extreme left groups are also smaller.