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"free speech" is just being used as a dog whistle for far right ideas in this case. These people are not behaving in good faith, don't bother engaging with them

"free speech" is just being used as a dog whistle for far right ideas in this case. These people are not behaving in good faith, don't bother engaging with them as if they were.

seibelj 6y ago
That's the point of "free speech" - I don't care how far right / left / in outer space your ideas are. You can say them, and I won't absorb the message if I don't care. It's the old saying about TV - if you don't like what's on, just change the channel.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  That ends when you start inciting violence and promoting actions that can end other people's lives. As it should. It's one thing to claim space lizards are controlling Facebook, it's another to start saying you want to shoot up busses full of Facebook workers. Unconvincing? Replace "Facebook" with "Democrats" and you get worryingly close to Parler. But there is another problem. These sites don't just happen. If they were bottom-up spontaneous forums - someone starting with phpBB and taking it from there - they'd be tolerable. (And likely less extreme.) They aren't. These are deliberate attempts to farm and concentrate certain kinds of people with certain kinds of sentiments so they can be used as political leverage for certain interests. They're not free speech at all - they're farmed speech. That is the problem. The people who farm them are knowingly and maliciously using them to spread lies and enflame violent sentiment so they can profit from both, financially and politically.
- cm2187 6y ago
  No free speech is about only saying things I agree with!
odessacubbage 6y ago
parler is neither a free speech platform by design or a far right one, it's purely an attempt to create the fox version of twitter. their tos are highly dubious. >dog whistle to be reductive, yes far right and even fascist ideas would fall under the umbrella of free speech as would... literally everything else.

"free speech" is just being used as a dog whistle for far right ideas in this case. These people are not behaving in good faith, don't bother engaging with them as if they were.

seibelj 6y ago

That's the point of "free speech" - I don't care how far right / left / in outer space your ideas are. You can say them, and I won't absorb the message if I don't care. It's the old saying about TV - if you don't like what's on, just change the channel.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
That ends when you start inciting violence and promoting actions that can end other people's lives. As it should. It's one thing to claim space lizards are controlling Facebook, it's another to start saying you want to shoot up busses full of Facebook workers. Unconvincing? Replace "Facebook" with "Democrats" and you get worryingly close to Parler. But there is another problem. These sites don't just happen. If they were bottom-up spontaneous forums - someone starting with phpBB and taking it from there - they'd be tolerable. (And likely less extreme.) They aren't. These are deliberate attempts to farm and concentrate certain kinds of people with certain kinds of sentiments so they can be used as political leverage for certain interests. They're not free speech at all - they're farmed speech. That is the problem. The people who farm them are knowingly and maliciously using them to spread lies and enflame violent sentiment so they can profit from both, financially and politically.
cm2187 6y ago
No free speech is about only saying things I agree with!

odessacubbage 6y ago

parler is neither a free speech platform by design or a far right one, it's purely an attempt to create the fox version of twitter. their tos are highly dubious. >dog whistle to be reductive, yes far right and even fascist ideas would fall under the umbrella of free speech as would... literally everything else.