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What about pescatarian (sp?)? I like the idea of ditching dependence on land based animals. Is sane tilapia farming sustainable? I have a fairly strong intoler

What about pescatarian (sp?)? I like the idea of ditching dependence on land based animals. Is sane tilapia farming sustainable? I have a fairly strong intolerance for beans and pulses and getting enough protein to deadlift from other sources is hard. The best my blood work has ever been was me eating about 1.3lbs of grassfed beef a day plus greens and 4 sweet potatoes. Thats great, but not sustainable for our whole population.

SEJeff 6y ago
I'm an omnivoire, but can't you get a lot of vegan protein from chickpeas and soy? Soy does have the obvious huge downside of containing a much higher amount of estrogen and causes havoc in some people, but Chickpeas aren't hard to make delicious. Ditto for lentils as well
- vram22 6y ago
  > Chickpeas aren't hard to make delicious. Ditto for lentils as well Yes. Check out my other comment about beans in this thread. All the dishes I mentioned there are pretty tasty. And so are lentils, if by that you meant masoor or masoor dal, or even if you meant tuar dal). And all those are high in protein as you say.
  - galangalalgol 6y ago
    I love Indian curries, but one serving obbeans or pulses will haunt me for a couple days. I don't know if it is sibo related, but I do have that. Cauliflower, blackberries, and mushrooms destroy me too.
    - vram22 6y ago
      Tough luck. Maybe some people are more prone to such issues. >sibo A typo? An acronym?
      - galangalalgol 6y ago
        Small intestine bacterial overgrowth. Often due to overuse of antibiotics in childhood. I'm not complaining, probably would have died without them.
        vram22 6y ago
        Had not heard of SIBO. Good to know. Wonder if yogurt and other fermented foods that increase good gut bacteria can help.
- seanwilson 6y ago
  > Soy does have the obvious huge downside of containing a much higher amount of estrogen and causes havoc in some people Do you have a study that confirms this? As far as I know this is a myth. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen#Effects_on_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen#Effects_on_human...
- st1ck 6y ago
  Another downside of soybeans is that its production causes deforestation and other environmental changes in areas like Amazon. See e.g. https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/the-story-of-soy https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/the-story-of-soy That said, soybeans are mostly used to feed livestock, so if you just eat meat instead of soy, that's likely not any better for environment.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  They said they don’t tolerate beans and pulses well. Chickpeas, soy, and lentils all fall into that category.
srg0 6y ago
Commercial fishing at modern scale is not sustainable. Fish farming, especially for valuable species, still has a huge carbon footprint, requires a non trivial amount of agricultural land, and often uses wild-caught fish to feed the farm. So we're back to square one. Not saying that the issues can't be solved, but pisciculture is not a free lunch from the sustainability point of view.
- galangalalgol 6y ago
  My favorites are baitfish like herring and sardines does that change the sustainability? If not, should I just go back to beef, or is it at least better?
- galangalalgol 6y ago
  Tilapa are herbivores, and some setups grow all the fishes food in the tank. Whether that is scalable is another matter.
- curryst 6y ago
  > Fish farming, especially for valuable species, still has a huge carbon footprint, requires a non trivial amount of agricultural land, and often uses wild-caught fish to feed the farm. So we're back to square one. Isn't most of that only true for carnivorous or omnivorous fish? I knew there were problems with finding small fish to feed the bigger fish, but I was under the impression that herbivores and filter feeders could be raised sustainably. I.e. farming tuna would be extremely difficult and costly to the environment, but you can farm things like tilapia and catfish fairly sustainably. They aren't fish that a lot of people are excited to eat, unfortunately.

SEJeff 6y ago

I'm an omnivoire, but can't you get a lot of vegan protein from chickpeas and soy? Soy does have the obvious huge downside of containing a much higher amount of estrogen and causes havoc in some people, but Chickpeas aren't hard to make delicious. Ditto for lentils as well

vram22 6y ago
> Chickpeas aren't hard to make delicious. Ditto for lentils as well Yes. Check out my other comment about beans in this thread. All the dishes I mentioned there are pretty tasty. And so are lentils, if by that you meant masoor or masoor dal, or even if you meant tuar dal). And all those are high in protein as you say.
- galangalalgol 6y ago
  I love Indian curries, but one serving obbeans or pulses will haunt me for a couple days. I don't know if it is sibo related, but I do have that. Cauliflower, blackberries, and mushrooms destroy me too.
  - vram22 6y ago
    Tough luck. Maybe some people are more prone to such issues. >sibo A typo? An acronym?
    - galangalalgol 6y ago
      Small intestine bacterial overgrowth. Often due to overuse of antibiotics in childhood. I'm not complaining, probably would have died without them.
      - vram22 6y ago
        Had not heard of SIBO. Good to know. Wonder if yogurt and other fermented foods that increase good gut bacteria can help.
seanwilson 6y ago
> Soy does have the obvious huge downside of containing a much higher amount of estrogen and causes havoc in some people Do you have a study that confirms this? As far as I know this is a myth. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen#Effects_on_humans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogen#Effects_on_human...
st1ck 6y ago
Another downside of soybeans is that its production causes deforestation and other environmental changes in areas like Amazon. See e.g. https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/the-story-of-soy https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/the-story-of-soy That said, soybeans are mostly used to feed livestock, so if you just eat meat instead of soy, that's likely not any better for environment.
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
They said they don’t tolerate beans and pulses well. Chickpeas, soy, and lentils all fall into that category.

srg0 6y ago

Commercial fishing at modern scale is not sustainable. Fish farming, especially for valuable species, still has a huge carbon footprint, requires a non trivial amount of agricultural land, and often uses wild-caught fish to feed the farm. So we're back to square one. Not saying that the issues can't be solved, but pisciculture is not a free lunch from the sustainability point of view.

galangalalgol 6y ago
My favorites are baitfish like herring and sardines does that change the sustainability? If not, should I just go back to beef, or is it at least better?
galangalalgol 6y ago
Tilapa are herbivores, and some setups grow all the fishes food in the tank. Whether that is scalable is another matter.
curryst 6y ago
> Fish farming, especially for valuable species, still has a huge carbon footprint, requires a non trivial amount of agricultural land, and often uses wild-caught fish to feed the farm. So we're back to square one. Isn't most of that only true for carnivorous or omnivorous fish? I knew there were problems with finding small fish to feed the bigger fish, but I was under the impression that herbivores and filter feeders could be raised sustainably. I.e. farming tuna would be extremely difficult and costly to the environment, but you can farm things like tilapia and catfish fairly sustainably. They aren't fish that a lot of people are excited to eat, unfortunately.