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matrix synapse is missing basic administrative functions and you're left to some random scripts in contrib to attempt to manage your homeserver. apparently leav

matrix synapse is missing basic administrative functions and you're left to some random scripts in contrib to attempt to manage your homeserver. apparently leaving the server to grow unbounded is an acceptable default and i hate it this is not to mention that there is one usable client, element and its buggy on all platforms

Arathorn 6y ago
The admin APIs are at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/tree/develop/docs/admin_api https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/tree/develop/docs/admi... and are fairly comprehensive. Agreed it's a screw-up that we don't provide an official web UI for it (but https://github.com/Awesome-Technologies/synapse-admin https://github.com/Awesome-Technologies/synapse-admin is pretty good). I have no idea why you think it'd be acceptable for your server to randomly delete old messages from under you by default - I'd go nuts if my IMAP server or filesystem decided to spontaneously expire old data by default. However, it's easy enough to flip the bit in the config to do so: https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/ca2db5dd0c9fc430a931b4d456fea6a5300b8b42/docs/sample_config.yaml#L369-L380 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/ca2db5dd0c9fc430a.... If this is something that makes you hateful, I'm not sure it's Matrix's problem. In terms of Element: yes, software has bugs, and we're working through them. weechat-matrix is very usable too, as is FluffyChat and a bunch of others.
- lifthrasiir 6y ago
  > I have no idea why you think it'd be acceptable for your server to randomly delete old messages from under you by default [...] IRC's discourse model is asynchronous and ephemeral, so if someone found IRC is enough then one will of course do expect messages to be ephemeral in any IRC replacements. Pretty sure that this is not a majority opinion, but this might be one reason.
  - sitzkrieg 6y ago
    further IRC etc did not host the media files directly. I mean, if synapse got actually working blob storage (S3, etc) support for media, that would make it a far less balooning problem. There is some option there for it and it all ends up on disk still so I assume its a backup strategy
    - decentralisedog 6y ago
      You might be interested in https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider, which provides S3 storage options for Synapse. I personally run https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-media-repo/ https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-media-repo/ which is basically a media server written in Go which has lots of bells and whistles for rentention, storage platforms and scaling.
      - sitzkrieg 6y ago
        i have and it leaves all media on the hard drive still
        decentralisedog 6y ago
        You might need to look at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider#regular-cleanup-job https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider#re...
  - decentralisedog 6y ago
    While Matrix definitely tries to appeal to IRC users, it's absolutely not just a IRC replacement. It's been a conscious decision from Day 1 that history is important given that the default for any messaging system today is to store history. Honestly it feels like a massive improvement over the days of bouncers and logs hosted in the cloud. That all being said, there are ways to make your rooms drop history if you wish through the config (and I believe it can be configured per room too).
    - lifthrasiir 6y ago
      Yes, that's a popular opinion that I do share (though more accurately, I occasionally want the ephemeral conversation that lasts not too long). But "I have no idea why" would be a stretch, hence the reply.

Arathorn 6y ago

The admin APIs are at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/tree/develop/docs/admin_api https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/tree/develop/docs/admi... and are fairly comprehensive. Agreed it's a screw-up that we don't provide an official web UI for it (but https://github.com/Awesome-Technologies/synapse-admin https://github.com/Awesome-Technologies/synapse-admin is pretty good). I have no idea why you think it'd be acceptable for your server to randomly delete old messages from under you by default - I'd go nuts if my IMAP server or filesystem decided to spontaneously expire old data by default. However, it's easy enough to flip the bit in the config to do so: https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/ca2db5dd0c9fc430a931b4d456fea6a5300b8b42/docs/sample_config.yaml#L369-L380 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/ca2db5dd0c9fc430a.... If this is something that makes you hateful, I'm not sure it's Matrix's problem. In terms of Element: yes, software has bugs, and we're working through them. weechat-matrix is very usable too, as is FluffyChat and a bunch of others.

lifthrasiir 6y ago
> I have no idea why you think it'd be acceptable for your server to randomly delete old messages from under you by default [...] IRC's discourse model is asynchronous and ephemeral, so if someone found IRC is enough then one will of course do expect messages to be ephemeral in any IRC replacements. Pretty sure that this is not a majority opinion, but this might be one reason.
- sitzkrieg 6y ago
  further IRC etc did not host the media files directly. I mean, if synapse got actually working blob storage (S3, etc) support for media, that would make it a far less balooning problem. There is some option there for it and it all ends up on disk still so I assume its a backup strategy
  - decentralisedog 6y ago
    You might be interested in https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider, which provides S3 storage options for Synapse. I personally run https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-media-repo/ https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-media-repo/ which is basically a media server written in Go which has lots of bells and whistles for rentention, storage platforms and scaling.
    - sitzkrieg 6y ago
      i have and it leaves all media on the hard drive still
      - decentralisedog 6y ago
        You might need to look at https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider#regular-cleanup-job https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse-s3-storage-provider#re...
- decentralisedog 6y ago
  While Matrix definitely tries to appeal to IRC users, it's absolutely not just a IRC replacement. It's been a conscious decision from Day 1 that history is important given that the default for any messaging system today is to store history. Honestly it feels like a massive improvement over the days of bouncers and logs hosted in the cloud. That all being said, there are ways to make your rooms drop history if you wish through the config (and I believe it can be configured per room too).
  - lifthrasiir 6y ago
    Yes, that's a popular opinion that I do share (though more accurately, I occasionally want the ephemeral conversation that lasts not too long). But "I have no idea why" would be a stretch, hence the reply.