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> that sounds like something with whatever identity server you're using. The relationships between the home server, identity server, and client on Matrix are n

> that sounds like something with whatever identity server you're using. The relationships between the home server, identity server, and client on Matrix are not made clear in any user friendly way in the Matrix documentation for homeserver operators so I can't imagine it's clear for end users either. It's one of the things that I think keeps killing Matrix. Now let's see if Arathorn shows up to tell me how wrong I am. Wouldn't be the first time. Nothing inspires confidence in the maturity of a product like a CEO that joins discussions to tell users who've had bad experiences that it was their fault for not understanding the documentation. That's how Facebook got so big, don't you know? I'm absolutely obsessed with chat solutions like Matrix and Arathorn probably doesn't remember me but I remember his attitude towards my feedback.

dane-pgp 6y ago
> Now let's see if Arathorn shows up to tell me how wrong I am. You may want to consider how your (seemingly legitimate) comments about the documentation might sound to Arathorn, who is obviously working hard to engage with the community and owes you nothing. For comparison, Arathorn seems to have engaged constructively with other more polite comments in this discussion.
- crankyoldcrank 6y ago
  I know how they sound, I'm a software engineer and users are whiny little bitches, especially on public forums. A professional wouldn't even engage with me, they'd note my feedback and move on -- I wasn't replying to him and didn't know who he was until he told me just how wrong I was. Now I know he's an asshole. Simple. An asshole with a really shit reference implementation for an overcomplicated protocol that only technically does what it claims, with little practical benefit. Frankly to me, Matrix belongs in the same basket as Urbit: weird software for nerds written by eccentric assholes that are too pretentious to explain it to regular people because doing so would make their protocol less special and thereby self sabotaging adoption The sooner Matrix is forked or better yet, dies, so that it stops stealing mind share from better projects, the better.

dane-pgp 6y ago

> Now let's see if Arathorn shows up to tell me how wrong I am. You may want to consider how your (seemingly legitimate) comments about the documentation might sound to Arathorn, who is obviously working hard to engage with the community and owes you nothing. For comparison, Arathorn seems to have engaged constructively with other more polite comments in this discussion.

crankyoldcrank 6y ago
I know how they sound, I'm a software engineer and users are whiny little bitches, especially on public forums. A professional wouldn't even engage with me, they'd note my feedback and move on -- I wasn't replying to him and didn't know who he was until he told me just how wrong I was. Now I know he's an asshole. Simple. An asshole with a really shit reference implementation for an overcomplicated protocol that only technically does what it claims, with little practical benefit. Frankly to me, Matrix belongs in the same basket as Urbit: weird software for nerds written by eccentric assholes that are too pretentious to explain it to regular people because doing so would make their protocol less special and thereby self sabotaging adoption The sooner Matrix is forked or better yet, dies, so that it stops stealing mind share from better projects, the better.