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I.e. you want this article to be clickbait and now you are unhappy that it is not.

by bzb6 6y ago

gurjeet 6y ago
I want the title to reflect what prompted this article in the first place. Just as others are calling out, I noticed those Google login boxes on unrelated websites. I want the reader to also make that connection and then read the article to understand what’s at stake.
baby 6y ago
All titles are clickbait, researchers, bloggers, youtuber, conference speakers, and journalists who succeed are also ones who know how to choose good titles
- kowlo 6y ago
  Not all titles are clickbait, and even if the majority are, we should strive for better
  - patmorgan23 6y ago
    Clickbait is a spectrum not a binary. I think keeping google in the title doesn't detract from conveying what the article is about while at the same time making it more attractive.
- gurjeet 6y ago
  Definition of clickbait [1] (emphasis mine): something (such as a headline) designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest. The title of the article matches the content, so, no, it wasn't a clickbait. Also, if the title was really a clickbait, someone would have surely called it out before my gripe about the title change. In fact, 2 others complained about the title change before I posted my top-level comment; those others' complaints and my responses are now buried under the "More" link at the end of this page. I understand you, @baby, have good intentions, but I take offense to @bzb6's remarks. I guess that's what I get for responding to a recently created account (41 days ago) with no posts and all of whose comments are one-liners; mostly knee-jerk reactions, no insights, and not considering the nuances of the real-world implications. [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clickbait https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clickbait
kordlessagain 6y ago
Way to speak for another person's intentions AND feelings! That's where we are nowadays, I guess. It's their article, I think it's fair they ask for the name of the post to be preserved. It has nothing to do with their intent (clickbait or not) that the audience here voted up their submission.
- cmroanirgo 6y ago
  > I used Google's name in the title because that name elicits reaction from almost 100% of the audience, And >Changing the title from "Google" to "Third Party Auth" significantly softens the impact and urgency I want the reader to feel upon reading the title, It sounds rather like parent was correct in calling it click bait. For me, any article that has aspirations to manipulating ones emotions in order to illicit a particular outcome is definitely selling some propagandist notion... Aka click bait. That the article's content, HN submission and the parent comment is the same person @gurjeet, I would like to thank @dang for the modification.
  - grayhatter 6y ago
    But that's not what clickbait is. Clickbait is a title that quickly imposes the feeling of missing and important information. Especially to get people to click through so the link target can serve ads. That's clearly not OPs goal as he makes the title a call to action, omitting no critical information. Propaganda has nothing to do with the definition of clickbait, so saying "[propaganda ...] Aka click bait." Is very misleading. And betrays your argument that everything should be exclusively logic, specifically omitting any appeal to emotion. That's exactly what you're trying to do by portraying op as using propaganda. And rhetorically speaking would be a disservice to both reader and article.
grayhatter 6y ago
No, clickbait would be: This guy used Google to login, you'll never guess what happens next!! He wants to us the name Google to personalize the message assuming that's what a lot of people use. Do you know how I figured that out? That's what OP said was his goal. It's rude to assert otherwise without evidence.
- texasbigdata 6y ago
  “I opted out of a Yubi key, forgot my Yahoo password, didn’t have the authenticator set up, couldn’t text message myself, and wasted 3 days fixing it” could maybe fit as a title too.

I.e. you want this article to be clickbait and now you are unhappy that it is not.

by bzb6 6y ago

I.e. you want this article to be clickbait and now you are unhappy that it is not.

I want the title to reflect what prompted this article in the first place. Just as others are calling out, I noticed those Google login boxes on unrelated websites. I want the reader to also make that connection and then read the article to understand what’s at stake.

baby 6y ago

All titles are clickbait, researchers, bloggers, youtuber, conference speakers, and journalists who succeed are also ones who know how to choose good titles

kowlo 6y ago
Not all titles are clickbait, and even if the majority are, we should strive for better
- patmorgan23 6y ago
  Clickbait is a spectrum not a binary. I think keeping google in the title doesn't detract from conveying what the article is about while at the same time making it more attractive.
gurjeet 6y ago
Definition of clickbait [1] (emphasis mine): something (such as a headline) designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest. The title of the article matches the content, so, no, it wasn't a clickbait. Also, if the title was really a clickbait, someone would have surely called it out before my gripe about the title change. In fact, 2 others complained about the title change before I posted my top-level comment; those others' complaints and my responses are now buried under the "More" link at the end of this page. I understand you, @baby, have good intentions, but I take offense to @bzb6's remarks. I guess that's what I get for responding to a recently created account (41 days ago) with no posts and all of whose comments are one-liners; mostly knee-jerk reactions, no insights, and not considering the nuances of the real-world implications. [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clickbait https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clickbait

kordlessagain 6y ago

Way to speak for another person's intentions AND feelings! That's where we are nowadays, I guess. It's their article, I think it's fair they ask for the name of the post to be preserved. It has nothing to do with their intent (clickbait or not) that the audience here voted up their submission.

cmroanirgo 6y ago
> I used Google's name in the title because that name elicits reaction from almost 100% of the audience, And >Changing the title from "Google" to "Third Party Auth" significantly softens the impact and urgency I want the reader to feel upon reading the title, It sounds rather like parent was correct in calling it click bait. For me, any article that has aspirations to manipulating ones emotions in order to illicit a particular outcome is definitely selling some propagandist notion... Aka click bait. That the article's content, HN submission and the parent comment is the same person @gurjeet, I would like to thank @dang for the modification.
- grayhatter 6y ago
  But that's not what clickbait is. Clickbait is a title that quickly imposes the feeling of missing and important information. Especially to get people to click through so the link target can serve ads. That's clearly not OPs goal as he makes the title a call to action, omitting no critical information. Propaganda has nothing to do with the definition of clickbait, so saying "[propaganda ...] Aka click bait." Is very misleading. And betrays your argument that everything should be exclusively logic, specifically omitting any appeal to emotion. That's exactly what you're trying to do by portraying op as using propaganda. And rhetorically speaking would be a disservice to both reader and article.

grayhatter 6y ago

No, clickbait would be: This guy used Google to login, you'll never guess what happens next!! He wants to us the name Google to personalize the message assuming that's what a lot of people use. Do you know how I figured that out? That's what OP said was his goal. It's rude to assert otherwise without evidence.

texasbigdata 6y ago
“I opted out of a Yubi key, forgot my Yahoo password, didn’t have the authenticator set up, couldn’t text message myself, and wasted 3 days fixing it” could maybe fit as a title too.