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I think they look like clickable things, and would to the vast majority of users. This kind of design has been validated on enumerable sites and app. I think

by jmull 6y ago

I think they look like clickable things, and would to the vast majority of users. This kind of design has been validated on enumerable sites and app. I think it's important to note that the visual cues that make something look clickable are based on convention, not some inherent clickableness. Generally, I like this trend because it deemphasizes window and by contrast emphasizes content. Content is the general point of apps.

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moron4hire 6y ago
Counterpoint https://twitter.com/Sean_McBeth/status/1324803044219998208?s=19 https://twitter.com/Sean_McBeth/status/1324803044219998208?s... Lack of UI differentiating decoration is a problem.
- hu3 6y ago
  To add to that, before I had a comfortably sized, well delimited, search bar to click and start typing on Notes. Now it's just a small flat gray icon: https://www.andrewdenty.com/blog/assets/img/macos-new-ui/notes/0-notes-first-launch-macos-catalina-big-sur-comparison.png https://www.andrewdenty.com/blog/assets/img/macos-new-ui/not...
- jmull 6y ago
  I think that tweet is referring to a Windows-specific issue, where many windows have no visual border so that when one is on top of and offset from another, they run into each other. That makes it difficult to see or select a window. In Big Sur the icons are visible. You just need to understand the design language that in a bar of icons, the icons are buttons.
  - simonh 6y ago
    My Windows 10 desktop at work drives me nuts, it’s extremely hard to identify the delineation between overlapping windows. There is a setting to highlight windows borders, but restrictions policy prevents you from selecting it.
gumby 6y ago
> This kind of design has been validated on enumerable sites and app. Has it been validated? It's certainly been adopted by innumerable sites and apps, but I seriously wonder how much A/B testing has shown that it increases or maintains usage of the features.
lightbulbjim 6y ago
I agree with the idea that the content should be emphasised. Unfortunately the extreme UI padding goes in the opposite direction for me. The fat toolbar in Safari is a good example. I care about the web content but now I have to give up part of my window real estate to the meta concern of the browser controls. This used to bug me about Gnome 3 and it's sad to see macOS heading in the same direction.

by jmull 6y ago

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moron4hire 6y ago

Counterpoint https://twitter.com/Sean_McBeth/status/1324803044219998208?s=19 https://twitter.com/Sean_McBeth/status/1324803044219998208?s... Lack of UI differentiating decoration is a problem.

hu3 6y ago
To add to that, before I had a comfortably sized, well delimited, search bar to click and start typing on Notes. Now it's just a small flat gray icon: https://www.andrewdenty.com/blog/assets/img/macos-new-ui/notes/0-notes-first-launch-macos-catalina-big-sur-comparison.png https://www.andrewdenty.com/blog/assets/img/macos-new-ui/not...
jmull 6y ago
I think that tweet is referring to a Windows-specific issue, where many windows have no visual border so that when one is on top of and offset from another, they run into each other. That makes it difficult to see or select a window. In Big Sur the icons are visible. You just need to understand the design language that in a bar of icons, the icons are buttons.
- simonh 6y ago
  My Windows 10 desktop at work drives me nuts, it’s extremely hard to identify the delineation between overlapping windows. There is a setting to highlight windows borders, but restrictions policy prevents you from selecting it.

gumby 6y ago

> This kind of design has been validated on enumerable sites and app. Has it been validated? It's certainly been adopted by innumerable sites and apps, but I seriously wonder how much A/B testing has shown that it increases or maintains usage of the features.

lightbulbjim 6y ago

I agree with the idea that the content should be emphasised. Unfortunately the extreme UI padding goes in the opposite direction for me. The fat toolbar in Safari is a good example. I care about the web content but now I have to give up part of my window real estate to the meta concern of the browser controls. This used to bug me about Gnome 3 and it's sad to see macOS heading in the same direction.