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Lots of wasted space everywhere, for no good reason. And degraded usability in so many places. Look at the Mail app for example, you could previously view “inb

by xrisk 6y ago

Lots of wasted space everywhere, for no good reason. And degraded usability in so many places. Look at the Mail app for example, you could previously view “inboxes” at the top of the app (useful because you could then resize the app to take up far lesser horizontal space); and now you can’t – just because, … no reason really?

xrisk 6y ago
TLDR: please don’t try to merge mobile and computer UIs, it makes for the worst of both worlds.
- zozbot234 6y ago
  GNOME 3 has done a fine job of tweaking their UI for touch usability, and more recently for small screens - it's already quite usable on tablet hardware.
sbuk 6y ago
The minute I see "wasted space", I shudder. White space or negative space is important for usability. Not sure what your example is describing.
- xrisk 6y ago
  > White space or negative space is important for usability Sure, I don’t deny it. However, just adding a ton of space doesn’t make a design good. Especially when you actively harm functionality while doing that. From my limited experience doing design, I’ve realized that good contrast and active visual demarcations go a long way towards that goal (both things which the new UI is sorely missing). See the old Mail UI: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/mac_apps/Mail/macos-catalina-mail-inbox-multi-account.jpg https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare... Notice the breadcrumbs that you could use to conveniently use as favorite inboxes. Those are gone now, which means that you have to keep the left sidebar always exposed (thus taking up significantly more horizontal space). This was what I think is really good design, thoughtful and non-intrusive. Not everyone is working on large screens. Adding a ton of padding to all UI elements doesn’t improve usability in the slightest, regardless of what you might say.
  - sbuk 6y ago
    Ah, the favourites bar... View > Show Favourites Bar
    - xrisk 6y ago
      Welp now I feel like an idiot :) Thanks stranger.
- kgin 6y ago
  I've noticed even apart from this there are many people who have a strong emotional reaction against space, using almost moral language to describe their problems with it. It's as if the space is truly being wasted, squandered... that the space isn't being valued for the work it can do, but instead left open for aesthetics in a bourgeois obliviousness to the needs of the proletariat.

by xrisk 6y ago

xrisk 6y ago

TLDR: please don’t try to merge mobile and computer UIs, it makes for the worst of both worlds.

zozbot234 6y ago
GNOME 3 has done a fine job of tweaking their UI for touch usability, and more recently for small screens - it's already quite usable on tablet hardware.

sbuk 6y ago

The minute I see "wasted space", I shudder. White space or negative space is important for usability. Not sure what your example is describing.

xrisk 6y ago
> White space or negative space is important for usability Sure, I don’t deny it. However, just adding a ton of space doesn’t make a design good. Especially when you actively harm functionality while doing that. From my limited experience doing design, I’ve realized that good contrast and active visual demarcations go a long way towards that goal (both things which the new UI is sorely missing). See the old Mail UI: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/mac_apps/Mail/macos-catalina-mail-inbox-multi-account.jpg https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare... Notice the breadcrumbs that you could use to conveniently use as favorite inboxes. Those are gone now, which means that you have to keep the left sidebar always exposed (thus taking up significantly more horizontal space). This was what I think is really good design, thoughtful and non-intrusive. Not everyone is working on large screens. Adding a ton of padding to all UI elements doesn’t improve usability in the slightest, regardless of what you might say.
- sbuk 6y ago
  Ah, the favourites bar... View > Show Favourites Bar
  - xrisk 6y ago
    Welp now I feel like an idiot :) Thanks stranger.
kgin 6y ago
I've noticed even apart from this there are many people who have a strong emotional reaction against space, using almost moral language to describe their problems with it. It's as if the space is truly being wasted, squandered... that the space isn't being valued for the work it can do, but instead left open for aesthetics in a bourgeois obliviousness to the needs of the proletariat.