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A well put argument to establish a local subjectivity for practical effect. The problem I have with it is that it is then used to marginalize _other_ local sub

A well put argument to establish a local subjectivity for practical effect. The problem I have with it is that it is then used to marginalize _other_ local subjectivities like r/mensrights (which admittedly has its share of ludicrous opinions, do _not_ admit you don't care you were circumcised) for the purpose of serving the "most important" 'ism. In reality there are a whole bunch of inequalities in a whole bunch of different directions, and it doesn't make sense just to target the one that _some_ people have decided is the most important. (In all honesty, for instance, I think racial inequality is a much bigger problem than sexism in our society now that women are becoming much better educated, whereas we still have a lot of 'bad part[s] of town.') In other words, we are not escaping heteronormative forms until we can actually work with logical equality, and the quickest way through the forest is the straightest. Why not just admit the problem is with beauty and our valuation of it--and yes, men might be guilty of this more by percentage, but that's not the source of the problem--instead of with gender?

StavrosK 15y ago
I'd be grateful if you could explain the issue, because I really don't see what the problem here is. I guess I don't understand what sexism is. The way I see it, Barney only judges women by how hot/crazy they are (or he judges them by more than that, but those are the two primary factors in his judgement). Given that everyone judges everyone based on some traits, and these traits have different weights attached to them, why is it sexist for Barney to do that? He's just a shallow person, but not qualitatively different than anyone else (only quantitatively). Also, he is not saying "this is how you should judge women", only "this is how I judge women". I would be fine with a woman saying that about a guy, or a woman about a woman. It wouldn't be a woman I'd like to date, but I don't consider it an attack on my gender as a whole.

StavrosK 15y ago

I'd be grateful if you could explain the issue, because I really don't see what the problem here is. I guess I don't understand what sexism is. The way I see it, Barney only judges women by how hot/crazy they are (or he judges them by more than that, but those are the two primary factors in his judgement). Given that everyone judges everyone based on some traits, and these traits have different weights attached to them, why is it sexist for Barney to do that? He's just a shallow person, but not qualitatively different than anyone else (only quantitatively). Also, he is not saying "this is how you should judge women", only "this is how I judge women". I would be fine with a woman saying that about a guy, or a woman about a woman. It wouldn't be a woman I'd like to date, but I don't consider it an attack on my gender as a whole.