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Exactly. This thing would be a killer dual-boot linux machine. But they won't release any drivers, and I think secure boot will probably only do MacOS.

by kart23 6y ago

rswail 6y ago
I'm an ancient IT guy (35+ years). I used Linux on desktop/laptop/server from 1995 onwards. I got a Mac Pro laptop 5 years ago (before the keyboard debacle) because I wanted quality hardware. I'm running Big Sur and have been since the public beta. I also run iTerm2 and Macports and Firefox and Thunderbird. My editor is Neovim. MacOS is still a BSD Unix underneath. I can't think of anything I want to run on Linux that I can't run on MacOS. I also get a nice UI, native first class apps for all my various WFH chat/video clients, MS Office for work etc. Why exactly would I want to dual boot into Linux? What runs on Linux that doesn't on MacOS?
- f6v 6y ago
  Some pieces of software are Linux only, like Singlularity(scientists aren’t allowed to run Docker). And getting some of scientific packages can be a hassle due to compilers, but I can get 99.99% of very niche packages working on Mac.
- kart23 6y ago
  Personally, I like the UI on linux. I can customize it to my hearts content, and run whatever style I want. I can switch from my i3 setup, a tiling wm, to GNOME in an instant. MacOS is alright, its UI is just a tad bloated and some things I don't like. But I can change and choose my UI in linux. MacOS just doesn't run great on my 2015 MBP (dual-core) either. I have a 4k monitor, and launching 5 chrome/safari tabs, zoom, and VSCode creates noticeable lag. Window dragging being 24fps, choppy scrolling, etc. I'm sure linux would run better on the same hardware. Its not what doesn't run, its how it runs.
f6v 6y ago
MBP is a killer machine because it lets you install Unix software AND you don’t have to know what a driver is. That’s the selling point for me. Every time I’m seduced by XPS 13’s slick design, I read couple horror stories from users trying to troubleshoot driver issues on Ubuntu. It’s just not worth it.

Exactly. This thing would be a killer dual-boot linux machine. But they won't release any drivers, and I think secure boot will probably only do MacOS.

by kart23 6y ago

Exactly. This thing would be a killer dual-boot linux machine. But they won't release any drivers, and I think secure boot will probably only do MacOS.

rswail 6y ago

I'm an ancient IT guy (35+ years). I used Linux on desktop/laptop/server from 1995 onwards. I got a Mac Pro laptop 5 years ago (before the keyboard debacle) because I wanted quality hardware. I'm running Big Sur and have been since the public beta. I also run iTerm2 and Macports and Firefox and Thunderbird. My editor is Neovim. MacOS is still a BSD Unix underneath. I can't think of anything I want to run on Linux that I can't run on MacOS. I also get a nice UI, native first class apps for all my various WFH chat/video clients, MS Office for work etc. Why exactly would I want to dual boot into Linux? What runs on Linux that doesn't on MacOS?

f6v 6y ago
Some pieces of software are Linux only, like Singlularity(scientists aren’t allowed to run Docker). And getting some of scientific packages can be a hassle due to compilers, but I can get 99.99% of very niche packages working on Mac.
kart23 6y ago
Personally, I like the UI on linux. I can customize it to my hearts content, and run whatever style I want. I can switch from my i3 setup, a tiling wm, to GNOME in an instant. MacOS is alright, its UI is just a tad bloated and some things I don't like. But I can change and choose my UI in linux. MacOS just doesn't run great on my 2015 MBP (dual-core) either. I have a 4k monitor, and launching 5 chrome/safari tabs, zoom, and VSCode creates noticeable lag. Window dragging being 24fps, choppy scrolling, etc. I'm sure linux would run better on the same hardware. Its not what doesn't run, its how it runs.

f6v 6y ago

MBP is a killer machine because it lets you install Unix software AND you don’t have to know what a driver is. That’s the selling point for me. Every time I’m seduced by XPS 13’s slick design, I read couple horror stories from users trying to troubleshoot driver issues on Ubuntu. It’s just not worth it.