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Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...

by hnarayanan 6y ago

znpy 6y ago
It's easy to be stable when you can't run software
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ksk 6y ago
A lot of Apple fans say this, but I find many components in Apple products in general to be of average to poor build quality. Keyboards, display hinges, CPU/GPU cooling, weak display bezel/frames, weak outer-frames on their phones, laptop case creaking, etc. Heck they have yet to figure out how to design cables that don't fray. I'm sure there are some nice aspects to owning a mac too, otherwise nobody would purchase them. But I have yet to find anything that they've done w.r.t good build quality. I do admit they have a very good handle on making their products look pretty. So there's that..
- m-p-3 6y ago
  Seriously, the bluetooth chipset in my MBP 2018 at work sucks balls. If I try to listen to music on my bluetooth headset as well as using a bluetooth mouse it stutters, and the mouse cursor is jittery. If I use the same mouse and headset on my Dell Precision 5520 I don't suffer from these issues.
mixedCase 6y ago
> good trackpad Granted. Except it's useless from my perspective because: * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + mouse - is faster than- * a standard K&M stacked windows workflow - is mostly faster than- * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + any trackpad - is faster than - * the standard macOS experience with a trackpad It's an exercise in frustration whenever I have to get help from or help out a peer which uses a touchpad for everything (Mac user or otherwise, but more common in Mac users precisely because of its good trackpad) because it makes every operation slow as molasses. And if you care about a responsive desktop, the trackpad is mostly irrelevant because you'll be using a tiling setup which relies on a keyboard and simple mouse/trackpad usage. > build quality A computer that throttles at max frequency does not have good build quality. A computer with a keyboard that falls apart with specks of dust does not have good build quality. Macs have great screens and are slim, but they're far from the only ones with those qualities. > stability Except this is a meme. macOS stability is an absolute gamble like all other OSes, it will depend on your configuration macOS will behave or not, as is the case for both Windows and Linux. And macOS releases are known to be stability shitshows, Catalina being a big example and now Big Sur not being able to start applications because an Apple server is unresponsive.
- cue_the_strings 6y ago
  Stability on macOS? Laughable. Macs are pretty popular among musicians and producers. When El Capitan dropped, pretty much all audio hardware and software stopped working. I remember that you couldn't use Native Instruments plugs and the majority of pro audio interfaces stopped working. This was fixed after a while, but it took at least half a year for everything to work again for 50% of users and a full year for everything to work for 90% of users. If you upgraded by accident and didn't have backups, you were in trouble. Even if you had backups, you could still have issues. Here's a link from back in the day: https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-musicians-producers-and-djs-should-avoid-updating-to-os-x-1011-el-capitan-today https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-mus... Now, did something similar ever happen on Linux or Windows? I can safely say that a lot of people lost some revenue because of that upgrade (there were also issues for video production software), at least until the word spread that you shouldn't upgrade.

Literally everything. Like a good trackpad, build quality, stability, ...

znpy 6y ago

It's easy to be stable when you can't run software

deleted 6y ago
[deleted]

ksk 6y ago

A lot of Apple fans say this, but I find many components in Apple products in general to be of average to poor build quality. Keyboards, display hinges, CPU/GPU cooling, weak display bezel/frames, weak outer-frames on their phones, laptop case creaking, etc. Heck they have yet to figure out how to design cables that don't fray. I'm sure there are some nice aspects to owning a mac too, otherwise nobody would purchase them. But I have yet to find anything that they've done w.r.t good build quality. I do admit they have a very good handle on making their products look pretty. So there's that..

m-p-3 6y ago
Seriously, the bluetooth chipset in my MBP 2018 at work sucks balls. If I try to listen to music on my bluetooth headset as well as using a bluetooth mouse it stutters, and the mouse cursor is jittery. If I use the same mouse and headset on my Dell Precision 5520 I don't suffer from these issues.

mixedCase 6y ago

> good trackpad Granted. Except it's useless from my perspective because: * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + mouse - is faster than- * a standard K&M stacked windows workflow - is mostly faster than- * keyboard-centric tiling workflow + any trackpad - is faster than - * the standard macOS experience with a trackpad It's an exercise in frustration whenever I have to get help from or help out a peer which uses a touchpad for everything (Mac user or otherwise, but more common in Mac users precisely because of its good trackpad) because it makes every operation slow as molasses. And if you care about a responsive desktop, the trackpad is mostly irrelevant because you'll be using a tiling setup which relies on a keyboard and simple mouse/trackpad usage. > build quality A computer that throttles at max frequency does not have good build quality. A computer with a keyboard that falls apart with specks of dust does not have good build quality. Macs have great screens and are slim, but they're far from the only ones with those qualities. > stability Except this is a meme. macOS stability is an absolute gamble like all other OSes, it will depend on your configuration macOS will behave or not, as is the case for both Windows and Linux. And macOS releases are known to be stability shitshows, Catalina being a big example and now Big Sur not being able to start applications because an Apple server is unresponsive.

cue_the_strings 6y ago
Stability on macOS? Laughable. Macs are pretty popular among musicians and producers. When El Capitan dropped, pretty much all audio hardware and software stopped working. I remember that you couldn't use Native Instruments plugs and the majority of pro audio interfaces stopped working. This was fixed after a while, but it took at least half a year for everything to work again for 50% of users and a full year for everything to work for 90% of users. If you upgraded by accident and didn't have backups, you were in trouble. Even if you had backups, you could still have issues. Here's a link from back in the day: https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-musicians-producers-and-djs-should-avoid-updating-to-os-x-1011-el-capitan-today https://macprovideo.com/article/audio-software/5-reasons-mus... Now, did something similar ever happen on Linux or Windows? I can safely say that a lot of people lost some revenue because of that upgrade (there were also issues for video production software), at least until the word spread that you shouldn't upgrade.