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So... Not only were the guards "sleeping" the day the Epstein was murdered, only a few cameras were working, and when it was time to bring the evidence to court

So... Not only were the guards "sleeping" the day the Epstein was murdered, only a few cameras were working, and when it was time to bring the evidence to court the tapes were mysteriously "corrupted" to the point where the judge couldn't view them. Also on the Chans a guard who worked at the facility posted how they came and killed Epstein and didn't log a military vehicle who came to their post. Now, if you have the balls to call any of this a "conspiracy" or that the US government isn't as corrupt as a run of the mill crack-pot tyrant, come have a word with me. The audacity. Acosta told them Epstein couldn't be touched because he's "intelligence". Fucking corrupt to the core. Every day, I ask my self "are the laws that impact me negatively even worth following?" I think I've found my answer.

nkrisc 6y ago
Alternative theory: He was facing life in prison and was going to have his awful secrets exposed in detail in court so he just took the easy way out since he was going to die in prison anyway. His life was already over. I assume most people in his situation would prefer to just kill themselves. It's not really a stretch to imagine why he would want to kill himself. It's much more of a stretch the imagine a vast conspiracy to kill him. I'm going to prefer the simplest explanation 9 of 10 times. But hey, who knows?
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- linksnapzz 6y ago
  He became the first person to do that, in a building filled top to bottom with people with as much or more reasons to kill themselves, in thirteen years. And, he did so at the precise moment there would be no witnesses or observers, human or electronic. When you are done using it, please clean off Ockham’s Butterknife and put it back in the drawer.
  - nkrisc 6y ago
    Well of course he did at the precise moment there were no observers or witnesses or he wouldn't have been able to do it, they'd have seen him and stopped it. If there was some vast conspiracy, why wouldn't they have just killed him before he was in custody when it would have been far easier?
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      Exactly. That's why they have those little red LED's on the cameras, so Epstein would know when they were recording static.
- disown 6y ago
  That doesn't really explain everything else does it? The guards, the cameras, etc. And if he was the type to kill himself, wouldn't he have done so the first time he got caught? > It's much more of a stretch the imagine a vast conspiracy to kill him. For normal people, but not a guy who had "awful secrets" that many people in power don't want revealed. > I'm going to prefer the simplest explanation 9 of 10 times. Except occam's razor isn't on your side here. The simplest answer here is a conspiracy. Not suicide. Occam's razor says he was killed. The guards not looking after him while he was on suicide watch. The cameras not working. Didn't medical examinations also show trauma rather than suicide.
  - nkrisc 6y ago
    I just think it would require much less for a single guy to kill himself than for a vast conspiracy to have killed him in a secure facility. Stuck a conspiracy would have to have involved a great many people, many of whom are not rich and powerful. It woyld have been far easier to just kill before custody, then they could have even just made it look like an accident.
    - randompwd 6y ago
      They don't need to be rich or powerful - they just need to have something to lose or be believers in the 'it's for national security'. You don't need to ask the guards to fall asleep. You just need to ensure the doziest guards are put on the schedule. Why do it in the prison? A controlled environment where they have access to the cameras and all recording devices, not to mention all technology(access logs etc.) as well as no members of the public being around. Out in public, you run a massive risk of some random noticing something/some camera inadvertently recording something.(or some random/some camera noticing/capturing something from the time leading up to it). It's an avoidable mess. Plus, a death in jail - people can rationalise it away - for the exact same reasons I listed above - 'oh, it's a controlled environment - $authorities control who goes in and out - they're not going let a random person walk around' If I don't reply to this comment in 5 years, it is a sure sign that I have been targeted. Last part is a joke. Last part is a canary. Joke. Canary..
  - 6y ago
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  There is zero reason to think Epstein didn't at least entertain the possibility that he would get away with another slap on the wrist. Before the trial started the possibility was already being raised that his 2007 plea agreement would get him out of any legal consequences this time around. The guy had such delusions of grandeur he wanted to freeze his head and penis and impregnate dozens of women simultaneously at his New Mexico ranch to "seed the human race with his DNA." He would have at least waited to see how the trial turned out before offing himself.
  - nkrisc 6y ago
    And perhaps he killed himself when he realized he wasn't going to get away with just a slap on the wrist. He seems like the kind of guy for whom having his reputation and legacy destroyed while he watched would be a fate worse than death. I've got nothing riding on any of this, but I'm just not convinced yet.
    - AndrewBissell 6y ago
      > And perhaps he killed himself when he realized he wasn't going to get away with just a slap on the wrist. How could he have possibly "realized" that before the trial even started?
      - nkrisc 6y ago
        Because he knew he did it all and maybe he knew the prosecution knew enough to nail him? Is that really so surprising?

nkrisc 6y ago

Alternative theory: He was facing life in prison and was going to have his awful secrets exposed in detail in court so he just took the easy way out since he was going to die in prison anyway. His life was already over. I assume most people in his situation would prefer to just kill themselves. It's not really a stretch to imagine why he would want to kill himself. It's much more of a stretch the imagine a vast conspiracy to kill him. I'm going to prefer the simplest explanation 9 of 10 times. But hey, who knows?

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linksnapzz 6y ago
He became the first person to do that, in a building filled top to bottom with people with as much or more reasons to kill themselves, in thirteen years. And, he did so at the precise moment there would be no witnesses or observers, human or electronic. When you are done using it, please clean off Ockham’s Butterknife and put it back in the drawer.
- nkrisc 6y ago
  Well of course he did at the precise moment there were no observers or witnesses or he wouldn't have been able to do it, they'd have seen him and stopped it. If there was some vast conspiracy, why wouldn't they have just killed him before he was in custody when it would have been far easier?
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    Exactly. That's why they have those little red LED's on the cameras, so Epstein would know when they were recording static.
disown 6y ago
That doesn't really explain everything else does it? The guards, the cameras, etc. And if he was the type to kill himself, wouldn't he have done so the first time he got caught? > It's much more of a stretch the imagine a vast conspiracy to kill him. For normal people, but not a guy who had "awful secrets" that many people in power don't want revealed. > I'm going to prefer the simplest explanation 9 of 10 times. Except occam's razor isn't on your side here. The simplest answer here is a conspiracy. Not suicide. Occam's razor says he was killed. The guards not looking after him while he was on suicide watch. The cameras not working. Didn't medical examinations also show trauma rather than suicide.
- nkrisc 6y ago
  I just think it would require much less for a single guy to kill himself than for a vast conspiracy to have killed him in a secure facility. Stuck a conspiracy would have to have involved a great many people, many of whom are not rich and powerful. It woyld have been far easier to just kill before custody, then they could have even just made it look like an accident.
  - randompwd 6y ago
    They don't need to be rich or powerful - they just need to have something to lose or be believers in the 'it's for national security'. You don't need to ask the guards to fall asleep. You just need to ensure the doziest guards are put on the schedule. Why do it in the prison? A controlled environment where they have access to the cameras and all recording devices, not to mention all technology(access logs etc.) as well as no members of the public being around. Out in public, you run a massive risk of some random noticing something/some camera inadvertently recording something.(or some random/some camera noticing/capturing something from the time leading up to it). It's an avoidable mess. Plus, a death in jail - people can rationalise it away - for the exact same reasons I listed above - 'oh, it's a controlled environment - $authorities control who goes in and out - they're not going let a random person walk around' If I don't reply to this comment in 5 years, it is a sure sign that I have been targeted. Last part is a joke. Last part is a canary. Joke. Canary..
- 6y ago
AndrewBissell 6y ago
There is zero reason to think Epstein didn't at least entertain the possibility that he would get away with another slap on the wrist. Before the trial started the possibility was already being raised that his 2007 plea agreement would get him out of any legal consequences this time around. The guy had such delusions of grandeur he wanted to freeze his head and penis and impregnate dozens of women simultaneously at his New Mexico ranch to "seed the human race with his DNA." He would have at least waited to see how the trial turned out before offing himself.
- nkrisc 6y ago
  And perhaps he killed himself when he realized he wasn't going to get away with just a slap on the wrist. He seems like the kind of guy for whom having his reputation and legacy destroyed while he watched would be a fate worse than death. I've got nothing riding on any of this, but I'm just not convinced yet.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    > And perhaps he killed himself when he realized he wasn't going to get away with just a slap on the wrist. How could he have possibly "realized" that before the trial even started?
    - nkrisc 6y ago
      Because he knew he did it all and maybe he knew the prosecution knew enough to nail him? Is that really so surprising?