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The idea than a bird will "grow faster than their limbs can handle" is scientifically inaccurate. Excess of drama always decreases the strength of the message

The idea than a bird will "grow faster than their limbs can handle" is scientifically inaccurate. Excess of drama always decreases the strength of the message (in my opinion). I understand that some people has invested so much in building their own identity around a bias bubble that can be really hard to break it and go out, but not all animals are raised as you claim (and living in a bubble is not healthy).

jmhobbs 6y ago
I ran cornish cross meat birds twice, 20 birds each time, and by butchering at ~8 weeks the roos didn't get around real well anymore, given the weight to leg ratio. Those were pasture raised, with restricted supplemental feed, and just the ordinary breeds you can get at Tractor Supply. I wouldn't be shocked if you let a "real" production hybrid go past butchering age and feed them grains the whole time, you'd probably get some birds unable to move under their own weight. After two rounds, I gave up on them and now run less aggressive weight gainers that forage better, like freedom rangers. Obviously just anecdotal, but don't dismiss it outright.
yboris 6y ago
What is "scientifically inaccurate"? > conventional breeds of chicken raised for meat, termed “rapid growth” breeds due to selective breeding that causes the animals to reach market weight unnaturally fast, suffer muscle myopathies, deformities, poor foot health, and have trouble standing or walking. https://thehumaneleague.org/article/study-reveals-the-chicken-we-eat-live-in-agony https://thehumaneleague.org/article/study-reveals-the-chicke...
yboris 6y ago
"not all animals are raised as you claim" ... but 99% of chicken do. The view I propose is rather sensible: causing pain and suffering to sentient beings is morally problematic. If we are in a position to not do that with no significant loss on our side, we ought to do it. I am unsure what "bias bubble" I am in. For perspective, consider the millions of dollars corporations funding factory farms spend on hiding what happens ("Ag-Gag laws"). Consider the immense lobbying power they have exercised over the decades (advocating for milk and meat consumption in schools). If anything, the status quo may very well be in a "bias bubble".

jmhobbs 6y ago

I ran cornish cross meat birds twice, 20 birds each time, and by butchering at ~8 weeks the roos didn't get around real well anymore, given the weight to leg ratio. Those were pasture raised, with restricted supplemental feed, and just the ordinary breeds you can get at Tractor Supply. I wouldn't be shocked if you let a "real" production hybrid go past butchering age and feed them grains the whole time, you'd probably get some birds unable to move under their own weight. After two rounds, I gave up on them and now run less aggressive weight gainers that forage better, like freedom rangers. Obviously just anecdotal, but don't dismiss it outright.

yboris 6y ago

What is "scientifically inaccurate"? > conventional breeds of chicken raised for meat, termed “rapid growth” breeds due to selective breeding that causes the animals to reach market weight unnaturally fast, suffer muscle myopathies, deformities, poor foot health, and have trouble standing or walking. https://thehumaneleague.org/article/study-reveals-the-chicken-we-eat-live-in-agony https://thehumaneleague.org/article/study-reveals-the-chicke...

yboris 6y ago

"not all animals are raised as you claim" ... but 99% of chicken do. The view I propose is rather sensible: causing pain and suffering to sentient beings is morally problematic. If we are in a position to not do that with no significant loss on our side, we ought to do it. I am unsure what "bias bubble" I am in. For perspective, consider the millions of dollars corporations funding factory farms spend on hiding what happens ("Ag-Gag laws"). Consider the immense lobbying power they have exercised over the decades (advocating for milk and meat consumption in schools). If anything, the status quo may very well be in a "bias bubble".