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> Progressives are widely known for their enthusiastic use of forcing people into public apologies for perceived crimes against the faith or for not acquiescing

> Progressives are widely known for their enthusiastic use of forcing people into public apologies for perceived crimes against the faith or for not acquiescing to unreasonable demands which can then be framed as a perceived wrong. I think a lot of the kickback against apologising that we're seeing is coming from the numerous public examples of this tactic and the follow-up where any good-faith apology will be used to make a further example of the heretic. This is rarely about the apology itself, but about establishing that something wrong has happened to begin with. The fact is, a lot of pretty messed up stuff routinely happens and is simply taken as a given. The apology is simply a marker that some behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. It's hardly even a measure of accountability, unless someone is so egotistical that taking responsibility is personally harmful to them.

mainstreem 6y ago
>This is rarely about the apology itself, but about establishing that something wrong has happened to begin with Feh, don't even give these struggle sessions and the petty tyrants that perpetrate them that much credit. It's about establishing that something ideologically condemned by those demanding an apology has occurred, and nothing more. Morality is secondary to ideological purity among the types demanding apologies. Fuck 'em, I say.
textgel 6y ago
A common tactic seen by progressives during attacks on their victims is to hype up the crime by either making vague claims such as that they "are pretty messed up" and hoping that regular people apply their reasonable measure of "pretty messed up"; to outright lies where they equate the commited heresy with an actual real world wrong. One charming example is this one of Morgan Freeman during the metoo saga where he was "Sexually harrassing a reporter live on TV." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4NnkHXmNEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4NnkHXmNEc
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- acjohnson55 6y ago
  ...and then what happened to Morgan Freeman? I don't know anything about the alleged situation, but pretty sure he moved on with his life and is still wealthy and largely beloved.
  - textgel 6y ago
    He was okay because... 1) He was a beloved actor with a lot of public support. 2) His attempted character assassination was recorded on film and so any stories of how the victim was "traumatised" by his "sexual harassment" not only were publicly shown to be lies but they added to a more public recognition of my earlier point that progressives believe it is okay to lie about what someone has done in the interests of destroying someone they want gone. 3) His attack happened late in the metoo saga when people had been pointing out the flaws in the "believe all women" view; after the aziz answari situation failed to hold up to public scrutiny etc but before the Joe Bidden situation resulted in "believe all women" having "never happened". Fundamentally the Morgan Freeman story demonstrates a number of things about progressive belief; their views on what constitutes sin is ridiculous in the eyes of anyone with basic common sense, they believe ends-justify-the-means and they are willing to carry out those means. He was okay, others weren't.
  - anthuswilliams 6y ago
    He did lose his role as a spokesman for Visa, though it's impossible to say to what degree this episode was a contributing factor. Somewhat interestingly, given the topic at hand, in the immediate aftermath of those accusations, Morgan Freeman issued an "I'm sorry if I made anyone uncomfortable" apology, which CNN used in their defense of the news clip the GP has linked. I don't really have any experience in, or opinion on, public apologies, but I thought that was an interesting thing to share.

mainstreem 6y ago

>This is rarely about the apology itself, but about establishing that something wrong has happened to begin with Feh, don't even give these struggle sessions and the petty tyrants that perpetrate them that much credit. It's about establishing that something ideologically condemned by those demanding an apology has occurred, and nothing more. Morality is secondary to ideological purity among the types demanding apologies. Fuck 'em, I say.

textgel 6y ago

A common tactic seen by progressives during attacks on their victims is to hype up the crime by either making vague claims such as that they "are pretty messed up" and hoping that regular people apply their reasonable measure of "pretty messed up"; to outright lies where they equate the commited heresy with an actual real world wrong. One charming example is this one of Morgan Freeman during the metoo saga where he was "Sexually harrassing a reporter live on TV." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4NnkHXmNEc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4NnkHXmNEc

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acjohnson55 6y ago
...and then what happened to Morgan Freeman? I don't know anything about the alleged situation, but pretty sure he moved on with his life and is still wealthy and largely beloved.
- textgel 6y ago
  He was okay because... 1) He was a beloved actor with a lot of public support. 2) His attempted character assassination was recorded on film and so any stories of how the victim was "traumatised" by his "sexual harassment" not only were publicly shown to be lies but they added to a more public recognition of my earlier point that progressives believe it is okay to lie about what someone has done in the interests of destroying someone they want gone. 3) His attack happened late in the metoo saga when people had been pointing out the flaws in the "believe all women" view; after the aziz answari situation failed to hold up to public scrutiny etc but before the Joe Bidden situation resulted in "believe all women" having "never happened". Fundamentally the Morgan Freeman story demonstrates a number of things about progressive belief; their views on what constitutes sin is ridiculous in the eyes of anyone with basic common sense, they believe ends-justify-the-means and they are willing to carry out those means. He was okay, others weren't.
- anthuswilliams 6y ago
  He did lose his role as a spokesman for Visa, though it's impossible to say to what degree this episode was a contributing factor. Somewhat interestingly, given the topic at hand, in the immediate aftermath of those accusations, Morgan Freeman issued an "I'm sorry if I made anyone uncomfortable" apology, which CNN used in their defense of the news clip the GP has linked. I don't really have any experience in, or opinion on, public apologies, but I thought that was an interesting thing to share.