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Can you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? And since no Macs have a touch screen, I'm not sure what you mean by the "one interface" thing. Big Sur may resem

Can you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? And since no Macs have a touch screen, I'm not sure what you mean by the "one interface" thing. Big Sur may resemble iOS but it is not the same interface at all.

tannedNerd 6y ago
I think the thought is since the tap targets all got so much bigger for Big Sur it no longer feels like an OS designed for a pointer, more one designed for a finger.
kllrnohj 6y ago
> Can you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? Phoning home on every executable launch. Both because it's bad for privacy, and because the implementation of it is absolutely horrific such that when Apple's servers went down it basically locked up everyones computers at the same time. It's on the front page still, even: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959
- my123 6y ago
  Is it even really telemetry as we'd consider it? It's OCSP digital signature verification... to check if an app signature wasn't revoked. (or a website cert, or anything really)
  - kllrnohj 6y ago
    It sends a hash of every executable you launch to Apple, how would that not be considered telemetry?
    - my123 6y ago
      Not the hash of the executable, but the certificate that it's signed with.
      - dsr_ 6y ago
        What's the ratio between certs and applications on your Mac? Is it pretty close to 1:1, excluding Apple's own products?
jjoonathan 6y ago
When installing Windows, I had to unplug the ethernet during a particular setup screen to avoid having every login checked against my cloud account. It put Candy Crush and Farmville ads in my start menu without consent. I remember having to spend effort to get Cortana to go away and (maybe) not send my searches to the cloud. In MacOS, we've recently seen: pushy siri, sending search results to the cloud, and yesterday the OCSP failure made it obvious they were sending logs of every app launch to the cloud :/ . It's the same direction, even if they aren't yet quite as lost as Microsoft.
- threeseed 6y ago
  You opted in to enabling Siri and they are simply validating the signatures on the apps.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    I don't think I ever opted in to Siri. How can I turn it off? I've disabled it from the menu bar but it's still on the touchbar, just waiting for me to slightly miss the delete key
    - my123 6y ago
      System Preferences -> Siri and then disable the Ask Siri checkbox in the left.
      - Rebelgecko 6y ago
        Alas, that didnt remove it from the touchbar
        my123 6y ago
        System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Personalize Control Strip
        6y ago
cosmotic 6y ago
Big Sur incorporates apps from iOS using Catalyst. iOS devices all have touch screens.

tannedNerd 6y ago

I think the thought is since the tap targets all got so much bigger for Big Sur it no longer feels like an OS designed for a pointer, more one designed for a finger.

kllrnohj 6y ago

> Can you expand on "horrible telemetry" please? Phoning home on every executable launch. Both because it's bad for privacy, and because the implementation of it is absolutely horrific such that when Apple's servers went down it basically locked up everyones computers at the same time. It's on the front page still, even: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25074959

my123 6y ago
Is it even really telemetry as we'd consider it? It's OCSP digital signature verification... to check if an app signature wasn't revoked. (or a website cert, or anything really)
- kllrnohj 6y ago
  It sends a hash of every executable you launch to Apple, how would that not be considered telemetry?
  - my123 6y ago
    Not the hash of the executable, but the certificate that it's signed with.
    - dsr_ 6y ago
      What's the ratio between certs and applications on your Mac? Is it pretty close to 1:1, excluding Apple's own products?

jjoonathan 6y ago

When installing Windows, I had to unplug the ethernet during a particular setup screen to avoid having every login checked against my cloud account. It put Candy Crush and Farmville ads in my start menu without consent. I remember having to spend effort to get Cortana to go away and (maybe) not send my searches to the cloud. In MacOS, we've recently seen: pushy siri, sending search results to the cloud, and yesterday the OCSP failure made it obvious they were sending logs of every app launch to the cloud :/ . It's the same direction, even if they aren't yet quite as lost as Microsoft.

threeseed 6y ago
You opted in to enabling Siri and they are simply validating the signatures on the apps.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  I don't think I ever opted in to Siri. How can I turn it off? I've disabled it from the menu bar but it's still on the touchbar, just waiting for me to slightly miss the delete key
  - my123 6y ago
    System Preferences -> Siri and then disable the Ask Siri checkbox in the left.
    - Rebelgecko 6y ago
      Alas, that didnt remove it from the touchbar
      - my123 6y ago
        System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Personalize Control Strip
        6y ago

cosmotic 6y ago

Big Sur incorporates apps from iOS using Catalyst. iOS devices all have touch screens.