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>People go to jail in today's China for nothing more than mispronouncing Xi's name Can you provide evidence for this? I find it very hard to believe they're tr

>People go to jail in today's China for nothing more than mispronouncing Xi's name Can you provide evidence for this? I find it very hard to believe they're tracking this insignificant level of dissent, and evidence suggests that China has a lower prison population than USA despite having many more people.[0] [0] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2...

justicezyx 6y ago
This is how downvoting ruin any nuanced discussion on China. China is very complex. By sheer number it should be 4X more complex than US. Not mentioning many other internal issues. For example, Chinese people are very diverse in their understanding of the world. And intellectual level in China is very low compared to modernized countries. That makes the management and ruling a lot trickier than US. One often cannot argue reasonably with some random peasant if he/she happen to not educated. My father used to fight with me, when I told him that his was investing in some ponzi scheme. And he ended up losing ~40% of his lifetime saving. He just cannot believe in such thing as blatantly bad, as he has some faith in the society in a way that is rooted in 50-60s idealized period when he was growing up. People here often do not allow nuanced discussions. Any comparison in favor of China to US or other western nations is implicitly labeled "whataboutism". The sad thing is that, HN is already the best I could find...
- anthk 6y ago
  >My father used to fight with me, when I told him that his was investing in some ponzi scheme. And he ended up losing ~40% of his lifetime saving. As if the Western world was smarter in that regard... Should I put a list? Because on average, the US scores very low against Europe. For example, Creationism.
- baybal2 6y ago
  To me, authoritarian regimes look much more plain, simple, and strightforward in their motivation, unlike civil societies with their tricky political maneuvering. Xi's mind is an open book in comparison to deciphering a fuzzy collective thought ethos of any democratically appointed cabinet. When I told my classmates in 2012 that China is going back to revert back into "redness," unless the remnants of pre-reform China would be decisively proactively stomped out, people laughed me out. Now, almost 8 years later, those people call me out on facebook how in the world I saw it. I did not change the explanation: the most ruthless, militant, and headstrong faction in the party cannot be expected just to give up, no matter how much political castration they suffer. People to whom killing tens of millions is an acceptable price to stay in power, will not be scared of breaking some toothless legal regulations. Getting more power is a raison d'etre for such people, they will never give up on seizing power peacefully for as long as they live.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    What do you mean by "redness"?
    - baybal2 6y ago
      This "redness" http://en.people.cn/mediafile/201206/12/F201206120859581971223700.jpg http://en.people.cn/mediafile/201206/12/F2012061208595819712... This "redness" https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/f66cb60b-d823-4d29-8b07-33bd70425e5f.jpg https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/f66cb60...
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        So how do you describe a hundred thousand people in a stadium saluting a flag? Or a squad of US soldiers tearing down a statue or posing with a corpse?
  - kace91 6y ago
    >Xi's mind is an open book in comparison to deciphering a fuzzy collective thought ethos of any democratically appointed cabinet. You can't possibly think that xi is ruling by himself like a God. Dictatorships have just as much of a fickle, constantly changing hivemind as any other form of government. you might just have one ever running party, but look inside and you'll see a complex network of factions.
    - free_rms 6y ago
      There are 91 million people in the party, and more who want in. Getting party membership is a big part of getting ahead. (Edit: It's not a hivemind is what I'm saying here.) All of those people have relationships that roll up and down. Rules for rulers and all that -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
      - justicezyx 6y ago
        Give me a break... No one needs party membership to do anything in private sectors... Why the hell people still think about Chinese live like party farmed animals. For God's sake, get on YouTube search some Chinese speaking videos by normal people. You are so echchambered that I start pitying you...
dash2 6y ago
I'd like to hear an answer to this question, too. Though I wonder if the camps in Xinjiang are counted in those statistics....

justicezyx 6y ago

This is how downvoting ruin any nuanced discussion on China. China is very complex. By sheer number it should be 4X more complex than US. Not mentioning many other internal issues. For example, Chinese people are very diverse in their understanding of the world. And intellectual level in China is very low compared to modernized countries. That makes the management and ruling a lot trickier than US. One often cannot argue reasonably with some random peasant if he/she happen to not educated. My father used to fight with me, when I told him that his was investing in some ponzi scheme. And he ended up losing ~40% of his lifetime saving. He just cannot believe in such thing as blatantly bad, as he has some faith in the society in a way that is rooted in 50-60s idealized period when he was growing up. People here often do not allow nuanced discussions. Any comparison in favor of China to US or other western nations is implicitly labeled "whataboutism". The sad thing is that, HN is already the best I could find...

anthk 6y ago
>My father used to fight with me, when I told him that his was investing in some ponzi scheme. And he ended up losing ~40% of his lifetime saving. As if the Western world was smarter in that regard... Should I put a list? Because on average, the US scores very low against Europe. For example, Creationism.
baybal2 6y ago
To me, authoritarian regimes look much more plain, simple, and strightforward in their motivation, unlike civil societies with their tricky political maneuvering. Xi's mind is an open book in comparison to deciphering a fuzzy collective thought ethos of any democratically appointed cabinet. When I told my classmates in 2012 that China is going back to revert back into "redness," unless the remnants of pre-reform China would be decisively proactively stomped out, people laughed me out. Now, almost 8 years later, those people call me out on facebook how in the world I saw it. I did not change the explanation: the most ruthless, militant, and headstrong faction in the party cannot be expected just to give up, no matter how much political castration they suffer. People to whom killing tens of millions is an acceptable price to stay in power, will not be scared of breaking some toothless legal regulations. Getting more power is a raison d'etre for such people, they will never give up on seizing power peacefully for as long as they live.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  What do you mean by "redness"?
  - baybal2 6y ago
    This "redness" http://en.people.cn/mediafile/201206/12/F201206120859581971223700.jpg http://en.people.cn/mediafile/201206/12/F2012061208595819712... This "redness" https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/f66cb60b-d823-4d29-8b07-33bd70425e5f.jpg https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/digital-images/org/f66cb60...
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      So how do you describe a hundred thousand people in a stadium saluting a flag? Or a squad of US soldiers tearing down a statue or posing with a corpse?
- kace91 6y ago
  >Xi's mind is an open book in comparison to deciphering a fuzzy collective thought ethos of any democratically appointed cabinet. You can't possibly think that xi is ruling by himself like a God. Dictatorships have just as much of a fickle, constantly changing hivemind as any other form of government. you might just have one ever running party, but look inside and you'll see a complex network of factions.
  - free_rms 6y ago
    There are 91 million people in the party, and more who want in. Getting party membership is a big part of getting ahead. (Edit: It's not a hivemind is what I'm saying here.) All of those people have relationships that roll up and down. Rules for rulers and all that -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
    - justicezyx 6y ago
      Give me a break... No one needs party membership to do anything in private sectors... Why the hell people still think about Chinese live like party farmed animals. For God's sake, get on YouTube search some Chinese speaking videos by normal people. You are so echchambered that I start pitying you...

dash2 6y ago

I'd like to hear an answer to this question, too. Though I wonder if the camps in Xinjiang are counted in those statistics....