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> What we need is to survive to have peaches and cream another day, Great news! As a collective we will survive this just fine no matter what happens. Individ

> What we need is to survive to have peaches and cream another day, Great news! As a collective we will survive this just fine no matter what happens. Individually some people won't be so lucky. Coronavirus is a tragedy, but it is far from an existential threat.

sequoia 6y ago
> And they have spiking case counts just like the US right now. What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion?
- war1025 6y ago
  > What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion? The virus is seasonal just like the flu would be my guess.
  - sequoia 6y ago
    OK you must be yanking my chain now, I can't believe you're commenting on this so boldly and are completely unaware of the last huge spike in cases when occurred in July. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/world/coronavirus-covid-19.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/world/coronavirus-covid-1... over & out
    - dougmwne 6y ago
      A lot of the summer spikes were in hot places with a lot of air conditioning where people tend to stay inside a lot during the summer. When I have looked at infection maps in the EU and USA, they seem very clearly connected to season. I think there is a process where people adjust their lifestyles to the current risk of infection, but then the goalposts get moved and the infection rate goes up due to environmental factors. Then there is a period of behavior adjustment again until the infection rates level off.
sequoia 6y ago
Also: wow. So 1.3 million avoidable deaths worldwide (or 250k in the US if you're there) is an acceptable loss to you, but staying home for the holidays is unacceptable? Your lack of empathy for your fellow humans is staggering. A day may come when tragedy strikes your family, I hope you are shown more empathy than you are choosing to extend to others here.
- dougmwne 6y ago
  I think it is good to have compassion for other people's frustration. Everyone has made sacrifices this year. I don't think any person's experience should be dismissed. The best way to inspire compassion in others is with your own compassion.
  - sequoia 6y ago
    You are speaking truth, you're right I am getting hot under the collar in this discussion and it's not helpful. To be pedantic, I would disagree that "everyone has made sacrifices" this year. To make a sacrifice implies giving up something one wants voluntarily. If I rob you that's not a sacrifice, you had no choice. There are clearly a ton of people who are unwilling to "voluntarily give up" anything, and they've given things up only when forced to, i.e. by restaurant or school closures. There are many more who make vague gestures towards responsible behavior but refuse to do anything that would incur any actual inconvenience. I wish it were true that everyone has made sacrifices, but I'm afraid we haven't achieved that level of civic responsibility, not by a mile.

sequoia 6y ago

> And they have spiking case counts just like the US right now. What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion?

war1025 6y ago
> What lead to this recent spike, in your opinion? The virus is seasonal just like the flu would be my guess.
- sequoia 6y ago
  OK you must be yanking my chain now, I can't believe you're commenting on this so boldly and are completely unaware of the last huge spike in cases when occurred in July. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/world/coronavirus-covid-19.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/world/coronavirus-covid-1... over & out
  - dougmwne 6y ago
    A lot of the summer spikes were in hot places with a lot of air conditioning where people tend to stay inside a lot during the summer. When I have looked at infection maps in the EU and USA, they seem very clearly connected to season. I think there is a process where people adjust their lifestyles to the current risk of infection, but then the goalposts get moved and the infection rate goes up due to environmental factors. Then there is a period of behavior adjustment again until the infection rates level off.

sequoia 6y ago

Also: wow. So 1.3 million avoidable deaths worldwide (or 250k in the US if you're there) is an acceptable loss to you, but staying home for the holidays is unacceptable? Your lack of empathy for your fellow humans is staggering. A day may come when tragedy strikes your family, I hope you are shown more empathy than you are choosing to extend to others here.

dougmwne 6y ago
I think it is good to have compassion for other people's frustration. Everyone has made sacrifices this year. I don't think any person's experience should be dismissed. The best way to inspire compassion in others is with your own compassion.
- sequoia 6y ago
  You are speaking truth, you're right I am getting hot under the collar in this discussion and it's not helpful. To be pedantic, I would disagree that "everyone has made sacrifices" this year. To make a sacrifice implies giving up something one wants voluntarily. If I rob you that's not a sacrifice, you had no choice. There are clearly a ton of people who are unwilling to "voluntarily give up" anything, and they've given things up only when forced to, i.e. by restaurant or school closures. There are many more who make vague gestures towards responsible behavior but refuse to do anything that would incur any actual inconvenience. I wish it were true that everyone has made sacrifices, but I'm afraid we haven't achieved that level of civic responsibility, not by a mile.