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Is there really much of a performance impact here?

rubatuga 6y ago
The computer overall seems faster, but for a real example, I can tell that starting VS Code takes less time than before.
- lxgr 6y ago
  "Seems faster" definitely isn't the level of proof required to justify recommending that people butcher their OS's security.
zepto 6y ago
No. There’s a tiny improvement on opening apps. Absolutely nothing more. And of course the cost is disabling a bunch of very real security protections.
- rubatuga 6y ago
  If you want a real-life example of multi-second lag from macOS code signing that affects me personally, please check out this GitHub issue: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/105446#issuecomment-722264044 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/105446#issuecomme...
  - zepto 6y ago
    Does that happen always, or just when Apple is having server problems? I just opened my VSCode terminal for the first time on a freshly upgraded Big Sur system running on 6 year old hardware and it appeared in less than 1 second.
  - rubatuga 6y ago
    @zepto It’s been happening since a few months ago, and I found out about the fix just last week.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Seems like a problem with VSCode not MacOS.
- BearOso 6y ago
  Part of it is security, part of it is lock-in. Either way, it’s excessive. It contributes to entropy more than security.
  - zepto 6y ago
    People keep saying it is lock-in without any justification. Notice that these things can all be disabled. Lock in really has nothing to do with things like SIP. It has to do with things like platform differentiation. I.e. software and device support for which there is no good alternative.
    - BearOso 6y ago
      It feels like lock-in to me. It keeps getting more difficult to develop for Mac, which I think will kill the free software scene for it. Honestly, it's almost like Windows programming in the late '90s. You had only one real option, Visual C++, and you either paid out the ear for it or pirated it. That restrictive approach doesn't work, and Microsoft learned that. You can't make developers pay to make your platform worthwhile. Rudimentary dev tools like xcode are not added value worth $100/yr and 30% of your profit. Other platforms provide better tools and more flexibility for free. People will wise up eventually, and I think that's already happening. Sorry for getting off-topic. I used to be a fan of OS X, but I'm really disappointed in the direction they took things.
lxgr 6y ago
The placebo effect doesn't only apply to medical ailments. Also, sticking it to overbearing Apple is fun – until it bricks your computing device or makes it vulnerable to all kinds of malware and you end on the receiving end of a ransomware or other extortion attack.

The computer overall seems faster, but for a real example, I can tell that starting VS Code takes less time than before.

lxgr 6y ago
"Seems faster" definitely isn't the level of proof required to justify recommending that people butcher their OS's security.

zepto 6y ago

No. There’s a tiny improvement on opening apps. Absolutely nothing more. And of course the cost is disabling a bunch of very real security protections.

rubatuga 6y ago
If you want a real-life example of multi-second lag from macOS code signing that affects me personally, please check out this GitHub issue: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/105446#issuecomment-722264044 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/105446#issuecomme...
- zepto 6y ago
  Does that happen always, or just when Apple is having server problems? I just opened my VSCode terminal for the first time on a freshly upgraded Big Sur system running on 6 year old hardware and it appeared in less than 1 second.
- rubatuga 6y ago
  @zepto It’s been happening since a few months ago, and I found out about the fix just last week.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Seems like a problem with VSCode not MacOS.
BearOso 6y ago
Part of it is security, part of it is lock-in. Either way, it’s excessive. It contributes to entropy more than security.
- zepto 6y ago
  People keep saying it is lock-in without any justification. Notice that these things can all be disabled. Lock in really has nothing to do with things like SIP. It has to do with things like platform differentiation. I.e. software and device support for which there is no good alternative.
  - BearOso 6y ago
    It feels like lock-in to me. It keeps getting more difficult to develop for Mac, which I think will kill the free software scene for it. Honestly, it's almost like Windows programming in the late '90s. You had only one real option, Visual C++, and you either paid out the ear for it or pirated it. That restrictive approach doesn't work, and Microsoft learned that. You can't make developers pay to make your platform worthwhile. Rudimentary dev tools like xcode are not added value worth $100/yr and 30% of your profit. Other platforms provide better tools and more flexibility for free. People will wise up eventually, and I think that's already happening. Sorry for getting off-topic. I used to be a fan of OS X, but I'm really disappointed in the direction they took things.

lxgr 6y ago

The placebo effect doesn't only apply to medical ailments. Also, sticking it to overbearing Apple is fun – until it bricks your computing device or makes it vulnerable to all kinds of malware and you end on the receiving end of a ransomware or other extortion attack.