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> showing up to peaceful protests with weapons to kill protesters. In Portland, an anti-fascist protestor shot a man (rightly or wrongly). Anti-fascists can a

> showing up to peaceful protests with weapons to kill protesters. In Portland, an anti-fascist protestor shot a man (rightly or wrongly). Anti-fascists can and do show up with weapons. It is not a false equivalence to say so.

jolux 6y ago
That man never got a trial, he was killed extrajudicially: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/us/michael-reinoehl-antifa-portland-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/us/michael-reinoehl-antif....
- stickyricky 6y ago
  That does not contradict my point.
  - jolux 6y ago
    You're saying he shot someone. That was alleged, and he was never arrested or charged. Like I said, some leftists are believers in armed self defense. I am not. But the fact of the matter is we will never know the full details of that case. I condemn bringing weapons to protests as fully as I condemn equating the role of violence on the left and the right in America right now.
    - solarhoma 6y ago
      Vice interviewed the person who killed the Trump supporter in cold blood. Yes, there was no official case against the person. But the police knew who the murderer was. This is why a shootout occurred and no other individual is being charged or sought after AFAIK.
      - jolux 6y ago
        > the police knew who the murderer was. This is not how the justice system works in America, just so you know. The system you describe is horrifying.
    - throwaway568468 6y ago
      Does it also apply for you to terrorists that commit suicide attacks? By definition they will never be arrested nor charged. Would you say that "we will never know" if they did kill people?
      - jolux 6y ago
        This is a red herring and a non-sequitur.
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for using HN for political/ideological battle. That's not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break the site rules with; it eventually gets your main account banned as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - TT3351 6y ago
      I loathe this online obsession with painting an amorphous group of "leftists" with the largest, most inaccurate brush known to man.
- throwaway568468 6y ago
  The New York Times editorial line is to side with killers and terrorists if it can be used to criticize the police or the state. They recently titled their article about a teacher being decapitated by an islamic terrorist near Paris "French Police Shoot and Kill Man After a Fatal Knife Attack on the Street"... 0: https://web.archive.org/web/20201016193107/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/world/europe/france-decapitate-beheading.html https://web.archive.org/web/20201016193107/https://www.nytim...
- boieruai 6y ago
  Killing cops isn't legal (yet). If you threaten them, they have the legal right to shoot back. That's not extrajudicial. Don't be so dramatic.
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
And even when they don't show up with guns, they show up with molotov cocktails and water bottles filled with cement (and urine). Those aren't guns, but they aren't Girl Scout cookies, either.

jolux 6y ago

That man never got a trial, he was killed extrajudicially: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/us/michael-reinoehl-antifa-portland-shooting.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/us/michael-reinoehl-antif....

stickyricky 6y ago
That does not contradict my point.
- jolux 6y ago
  You're saying he shot someone. That was alleged, and he was never arrested or charged. Like I said, some leftists are believers in armed self defense. I am not. But the fact of the matter is we will never know the full details of that case. I condemn bringing weapons to protests as fully as I condemn equating the role of violence on the left and the right in America right now.
  - solarhoma 6y ago
    Vice interviewed the person who killed the Trump supporter in cold blood. Yes, there was no official case against the person. But the police knew who the murderer was. This is why a shootout occurred and no other individual is being charged or sought after AFAIK.
    - jolux 6y ago
      > the police knew who the murderer was. This is not how the justice system works in America, just so you know. The system you describe is horrifying.
  - throwaway568468 6y ago
    Does it also apply for you to terrorists that commit suicide attacks? By definition they will never be arrested nor charged. Would you say that "we will never know" if they did kill people?
    - jolux 6y ago
      This is a red herring and a non-sequitur.
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for using HN for political/ideological battle. That's not what this site is for. Please don't create accounts to break the site rules with; it eventually gets your main account banned as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - TT3351 6y ago
    I loathe this online obsession with painting an amorphous group of "leftists" with the largest, most inaccurate brush known to man.
throwaway568468 6y ago
The New York Times editorial line is to side with killers and terrorists if it can be used to criticize the police or the state. They recently titled their article about a teacher being decapitated by an islamic terrorist near Paris "French Police Shoot and Kill Man After a Fatal Knife Attack on the Street"... 0: https://web.archive.org/web/20201016193107/https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/16/world/europe/france-decapitate-beheading.html https://web.archive.org/web/20201016193107/https://www.nytim...
boieruai 6y ago
Killing cops isn't legal (yet). If you threaten them, they have the legal right to shoot back. That's not extrajudicial. Don't be so dramatic.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

And even when they don't show up with guns, they show up with molotov cocktails and water bottles filled with cement (and urine). Those aren't guns, but they aren't Girl Scout cookies, either.