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I suppose you missed the 3-year period where Trump was supposedly a Russian agent who stole the election? That's just the tenor of American politics right now

by cal5k 6y ago

I suppose you missed the 3-year period where Trump was supposedly a Russian agent who stole the election? That's just the tenor of American politics right now in general.

Delmania 6y ago
No one made that claim except right wing media. They said, and this was proven, there was collusion among members of his campaign to influence the election.
rootusrootus 6y ago
When the left complained that Trump became president while several million more people wanted his opponent to win, characterizing that as 'stealing the election' does not seem particularly unfair. And given the oddly pervasive connections between Trump's family and Russia, I can't really fault people for thinking there might very well be a connection. An awful lot of smoke, there is.
- mmastrac 6y ago
  Honestly, the _incredibly_ numerous sexual assault complaints against him should have disqualified him at the start, especially when combined with his publicly indecent behaviour.
  - paulnechifor 6y ago
    If you allow for someone to be disqualified based on accusations which haven't been tried in court how are you going to prevent that from being weaponized? In fact, isn't that what they tried to do to Biden this election?
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  There were a set of rules. According to the rules, he won. That's not stealing the election, that's winning by the rules. That's like saying that one team "stole" a baseball game because they had fewer hits than the other team. Yeah, but they had more runs, and that's the rules of the game.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    > There were a set of rules. According to the rules, he won Correct. Which is why most of the grousing centered around the electoral college being archaic and undemocratic. Many people want to see the rules changed.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      And I'm fine with that. That's the approach they should take. Claiming "they stole the election" is not that.

by cal5k 6y ago

I suppose you missed the 3-year period where Trump was supposedly a Russian agent who stole the election? That's just the tenor of American politics right now in general.

Delmania 6y ago

No one made that claim except right wing media. They said, and this was proven, there was collusion among members of his campaign to influence the election.

rootusrootus 6y ago

When the left complained that Trump became president while several million more people wanted his opponent to win, characterizing that as 'stealing the election' does not seem particularly unfair. And given the oddly pervasive connections between Trump's family and Russia, I can't really fault people for thinking there might very well be a connection. An awful lot of smoke, there is.

mmastrac 6y ago
Honestly, the _incredibly_ numerous sexual assault complaints against him should have disqualified him at the start, especially when combined with his publicly indecent behaviour.
- paulnechifor 6y ago
  If you allow for someone to be disqualified based on accusations which haven't been tried in court how are you going to prevent that from being weaponized? In fact, isn't that what they tried to do to Biden this election?
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
There were a set of rules. According to the rules, he won. That's not stealing the election, that's winning by the rules. That's like saying that one team "stole" a baseball game because they had fewer hits than the other team. Yeah, but they had more runs, and that's the rules of the game.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > There were a set of rules. According to the rules, he won Correct. Which is why most of the grousing centered around the electoral college being archaic and undemocratic. Many people want to see the rules changed.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    And I'm fine with that. That's the approach they should take. Claiming "they stole the election" is not that.