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I'm not arguing that just tipping drivers solves the problem, I support doing away with these exploitative systems of labor manipulation entirely. I'm merely as

I'm not arguing that just tipping drivers solves the problem, I support doing away with these exploitative systems of labor manipulation entirely. I'm merely asking people who do choose to use these apps to tip in the meantime, because millions of people are struggling, and it's usually not the ones can afford to patronize a delivery service.

tofuahdude 6y ago
The more that people "tip in the meantime" the more we are signaling support for the company's model. Customers are not in the role of ensuring employees are paid, and if we as society accept Doordash et al's attempts to push that role onto us, the more we are supporting the abusive employment in the first place. The correct place for this implementation is in legislation or in free markets. If we as society deem it necessary, legislation. If we as society stopped being tricked into tipping as you are suggesting, and the effective wage was low to the point of triggering necessary business changes, the free markets will do their work. Tipping is an entirely broken concept for the deliver model and arguing for customers to tip more or via cash is further incentivizing the model.
ProAm 6y ago
I totally agree that these people deserve to earn money, but I believe that tipping the mean time exacerbates the issue, and now were seeing these companies go public with makes the societal issues permanent. I would say it's akin to Walmart depending on food stamps to justify their labor economics. Without that unofficial government subsidy Walmart would not be as powerful or be able to offer lower prices, etc... In merit and morality I agree, these are nice, hard working people that choose a profession that cannot meet their financial needs. I don't have an perfect answer for it either, I just see the glaring elephant in the room.

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I'm not arguing that just tipping drivers solves the problem, I support doing away with these exploitative systems of labor manipulation entirely. I'm merely as

by save_ferris 6y ago

tofuahdude 6y ago
The more that people "tip in the meantime" the more we are signaling support for the company's model. Customers are not in the role of ensuring employees are paid, and if we as society accept Doordash et al's attempts to push that role onto us, the more we are supporting the abusive employment in the first place. The correct place for this implementation is in legislation or in free markets. If we as society deem it necessary, legislation. If we as society stopped being tricked into tipping as you are suggesting, and the effective wage was low to the point of triggering necessary business changes, the free markets will do their work. Tipping is an entirely broken concept for the deliver model and arguing for customers to tip more or via cash is further incentivizing the model.
ProAm 6y ago
I totally agree that these people deserve to earn money, but I believe that tipping the mean time exacerbates the issue, and now were seeing these companies go public with makes the societal issues permanent. I would say it's akin to Walmart depending on food stamps to justify their labor economics. Without that unofficial government subsidy Walmart would not be as powerful or be able to offer lower prices, etc... In merit and morality I agree, these are nice, hard working people that choose a profession that cannot meet their financial needs. I don't have an perfect answer for it either, I just see the glaring elephant in the room.