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Saying a voting block was "tricked" or "bought" ignores millions of CA residents who read the law and formed their own conclusions. There's a very progressive

by awb 6y ago

Saying a voting block was "tricked" or "bought" ignores millions of CA residents who read the law and formed their own conclusions. There's a very progressive and pro-business case to be made for decoupling benefits from the employer-employee or contract-gig relationship and making those benefits universal instead. Progressives get the social safety net they want and businesses gets the fewer regulations they want.

rtkwe 6y ago
Sure if we could snap fingers and get to the UBI full social safety net overnight maybe it'd be fine, but right now what happens is businesses fight and lobby to reduce both taxes that would fund that net and against regulations to prevent abuses of workers who have to work or die.
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
> Saying a voting block was "tricked" or "bought" ignores millions of CA residents who read the law and formed their own conclusions. This isn't a fair characterization of how people cast their ballots. They see the ad and it has some non-zero effect. If running ads was ineffective in swaying public opinion, there wouldn't have been a $200m persuasion campaign.
- themacguffinman 6y ago
  And this isn't a fair characterization of how ads work. They don't magically change people's minds and stop people from forming their own conclusions. It doesn't mean the vote was "tricked" or "bought. Try spending $200MM on a nonsense bill and see how much support you can actually buy. Like any endeavor, ads & marketing can be dishonest. If you actually thought any part of Uber's campaign was dishonest, I encourage you to say what you mean rather than cast vague aspersions.
  - awb 6y ago
    > Try spending $200MM on a nonsense bill and see how much support you can actually buy. Or $1B on a 3 month primary campaign: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-spent-nearly-1-billion-his-three-month-presidential-campaign-n1165306 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-spe...
- awb 6y ago
  I'm a CA voter who didn't see any ads about this prop and didn't even know it was on the ballot until I opened it up, despite making a living in tech. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one who made a decision after only reading the pros and cons provided with the ballot itself.
  - JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
    Heavy advertising for Prop 22 was done on Facebook, and 7 in 10 US Adults use Facebook: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/16/facts-about-americans-and-facebook/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/16/facts-about... You may have missed this if you don't use it.
    - awb 6y ago
      That's what happened then, I don't use FB.

by awb 6y ago

rtkwe 6y ago

Sure if we could snap fingers and get to the UBI full social safety net overnight maybe it'd be fine, but right now what happens is businesses fight and lobby to reduce both taxes that would fund that net and against regulations to prevent abuses of workers who have to work or die.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago

> Saying a voting block was "tricked" or "bought" ignores millions of CA residents who read the law and formed their own conclusions. This isn't a fair characterization of how people cast their ballots. They see the ad and it has some non-zero effect. If running ads was ineffective in swaying public opinion, there wouldn't have been a $200m persuasion campaign.

themacguffinman 6y ago
And this isn't a fair characterization of how ads work. They don't magically change people's minds and stop people from forming their own conclusions. It doesn't mean the vote was "tricked" or "bought. Try spending $200MM on a nonsense bill and see how much support you can actually buy. Like any endeavor, ads & marketing can be dishonest. If you actually thought any part of Uber's campaign was dishonest, I encourage you to say what you mean rather than cast vague aspersions.
- awb 6y ago
  > Try spending $200MM on a nonsense bill and see how much support you can actually buy. Or $1B on a 3 month primary campaign: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-spent-nearly-1-billion-his-three-month-presidential-campaign-n1165306 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bloomberg-spe...
awb 6y ago
I'm a CA voter who didn't see any ads about this prop and didn't even know it was on the ballot until I opened it up, despite making a living in tech. I'm guessing I wasn't the only one who made a decision after only reading the pros and cons provided with the ballot itself.
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
  Heavy advertising for Prop 22 was done on Facebook, and 7 in 10 US Adults use Facebook: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/16/facts-about-americans-and-facebook/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/16/facts-about... You may have missed this if you don't use it.
  - awb 6y ago
    That's what happened then, I don't use FB.