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No. I don't presume your motivations. I just think Occam's razor applies here. Either directly following the passage of the civil rights act southern voters s

by pfisch 6y ago

No. I don't presume your motivations. I just think Occam's razor applies here. Either directly following the passage of the civil rights act southern voters suddenly en masse rejected neo-capitalism, or something else was going on... I know it is unpopular to discuss but there is a high correlation between trump supporters and racial resentment measures. It is silly to ignore that.

humanrebar 6y ago
Conflating criticism of Obama with racism is a huge reason Trump ever happened. It is harmful to ignore (and downvote) that. Yes, it takes some nuance to address racism as separate from opposition to a black president. I'd like to think HN is still capable of some nuance.
- pfisch 6y ago
  I agree...somewhat. It is hard to ignore that the president directly following Obama basically ran on a platform consisting primarily of dog whistles and racebaiting. I think it is harmful to ignore the primary evidence because people don't like what it says about America. I think the democratic party needs to acknowledge that various degrees of racism right now seem to account for a very significant part of the electorate currently, and any messaging and strategy needs to acknowledge that for the most part you need to have some light racists as part of your coalition if you want to maintain a majority.
- darksaints 6y ago
  Trump's political ambitions started with a racist conspiracy theory about Obama. The racists who latched on to that conspiracy theory had their favored candidate a full 8 years before he launched his bid for president. Of course opposition to Obama is much deeper than racism. I opposed Obama after regretfully voting for him in his first term, and then refused voting for him in his second term, for a multitude of executive policy decisions. But there is a huge quantity of criticism of Obama that can very easily be boiled down to racism, either because it is explicit, or so culturally entrenched as dog-whistle racism that it is undeniable. Hell, Hillary's dog-whistle racism when running against Obama in 2008 was a primary reason she lost the black vote in 2016! Racist opposition to Obama was, and still is, everywhere.

by pfisch 6y ago

humanrebar 6y ago

Conflating criticism of Obama with racism is a huge reason Trump ever happened. It is harmful to ignore (and downvote) that. Yes, it takes some nuance to address racism as separate from opposition to a black president. I'd like to think HN is still capable of some nuance.

pfisch 6y ago
I agree...somewhat. It is hard to ignore that the president directly following Obama basically ran on a platform consisting primarily of dog whistles and racebaiting. I think it is harmful to ignore the primary evidence because people don't like what it says about America. I think the democratic party needs to acknowledge that various degrees of racism right now seem to account for a very significant part of the electorate currently, and any messaging and strategy needs to acknowledge that for the most part you need to have some light racists as part of your coalition if you want to maintain a majority.
darksaints 6y ago
Trump's political ambitions started with a racist conspiracy theory about Obama. The racists who latched on to that conspiracy theory had their favored candidate a full 8 years before he launched his bid for president. Of course opposition to Obama is much deeper than racism. I opposed Obama after regretfully voting for him in his first term, and then refused voting for him in his second term, for a multitude of executive policy decisions. But there is a huge quantity of criticism of Obama that can very easily be boiled down to racism, either because it is explicit, or so culturally entrenched as dog-whistle racism that it is undeniable. Hell, Hillary's dog-whistle racism when running against Obama in 2008 was a primary reason she lost the black vote in 2016! Racist opposition to Obama was, and still is, everywhere.