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If someone acts on that idea, the speech may not be protected.

by loopz 6y ago

mistermann 6y ago
Ok I see now (if someone was to act "due to" speech like this, it might be used as "justification" for more censorship - if I'm not misunderstanding). But I don't see what that has to do with what I wrote, which was regarding the pattern of "dishonesty" when it comes to the discussion of reality. I consider this to be a very dangerous break from our cultural history. There are many examples in history of where this road can lead, but not only are we not exhibiting caution, the overwhelming sense I get is enthusiasm at this development. One probably shouldn't judge the general public in this regard too harshly, but thinking is what the HN crowd is supposed to be good at.
- loopz 6y ago
  History has examples of previous times when populists flirted with the idea of abolishing democracy and using violence as means for "might makes right". Taking it lightly or in defense of free speech blindly, is not prudent. I don't believe we can or should ban divergent speech either, but maybe such people should make their own platform. Trying to make a rational argument when all they do is ridicule, insult and make hyperboles, making policy on feelings like abuse and threats, doesn't lead to anything positive. Democracy need a balance and spectrum, otherwise there'll be a One Party System, and people will be rationalizing that too. History shows us what happens when these sentiments leap out of control.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    It's interesting how you keep replying as if you are reading text other than what I actually write. What I wrote was primarily: > But I don't see what that has to do with what I wrote, which was regarding the pattern of "dishonesty" when it comes to the discussion of reality. It is especially interesting when done while accusing someone else of doing the very same thing (the fascinating pink elephant situation in this thread). Perhaps your goal is to help by even further illustrating this pattern on HN? If so, thanks!

If someone acts on that idea, the speech may not be protected.

by loopz 6y ago

If someone acts on that idea, the speech may not be protected.

Ok I see now (if someone was to act "due to" speech like this, it might be used as "justification" for more censorship - if I'm not misunderstanding). But I don't see what that has to do with what I wrote, which was regarding the pattern of "dishonesty" when it comes to the discussion of reality. I consider this to be a very dangerous break from our cultural history. There are many examples in history of where this road can lead, but not only are we not exhibiting caution, the overwhelming sense I get is enthusiasm at this development. One probably shouldn't judge the general public in this regard too harshly, but thinking is what the HN crowd is supposed to be good at.

loopz 6y ago
History has examples of previous times when populists flirted with the idea of abolishing democracy and using violence as means for "might makes right". Taking it lightly or in defense of free speech blindly, is not prudent. I don't believe we can or should ban divergent speech either, but maybe such people should make their own platform. Trying to make a rational argument when all they do is ridicule, insult and make hyperboles, making policy on feelings like abuse and threats, doesn't lead to anything positive. Democracy need a balance and spectrum, otherwise there'll be a One Party System, and people will be rationalizing that too. History shows us what happens when these sentiments leap out of control.
- mistermann 6y ago
  It's interesting how you keep replying as if you are reading text other than what I actually write. What I wrote was primarily: > But I don't see what that has to do with what I wrote, which was regarding the pattern of "dishonesty" when it comes to the discussion of reality. It is especially interesting when done while accusing someone else of doing the very same thing (the fascinating pink elephant situation in this thread). Perhaps your goal is to help by even further illustrating this pattern on HN? If so, thanks!