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> If people buy it then, well, they are fine with it. I don't think people have much choice these days. If you want a smartphone then you will either get somet

> If people buy it then, well, they are fine with it. I don't think people have much choice these days. If you want a smartphone then you will either get something from Apple or from Android people. There are other choices but are they mainstream? In my local shops I can't see anything else. Android or Apple. That's why I'm buying PinePhone and going to waste lots of my life to make it fit my needs, but I hope once time is spent I will be happier human being ;)

ernst_klim 6y ago
> I don't think people have much choice these days. Well, choice is about compromise. You have to choose between freedom and convenience, but you can choose. I'm saying that as a person who used 4 linux phones as daily drivers for last 10 years (n900, n9, jolla, xperia with sailfish). > There are other choices but are they mainstream Well there are. Maybe they are not mainstream because people value convenience over freedom, which is unfortunate to me, but who am I to dictate them my values. At least there are always some linux phones to choose from, and hopefully fabless/new open platforms would even increase the amount of such. I mean, 10 years ago it was nokia or nothing, today there are pinephone, fairphone, librem
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  Why should you choose between freedom and convenience? They are not mutually exclusive.
  - ernst_klim 6y ago
    Of course they are. You need to invest a lot in your platform to make it convenient, so you have to be able to monetize it well enough.
    - zepto 6y ago
      I agree with forest dweller - they are not mutually exclusive. There are many open source products that have had huge investments without monetization.
      - ernst_klim 6y ago
        > There are many open source products that have had huge investments without monetization. Like what?
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    - forest_dweller 6y ago
      I am not talking about the software itself. I am talking about the ability to run whatever software you like. This means alternative OS or allowing someone to install another app store. They could literally put in a button to let you install what you like. In fact they already did this in the past.

ernst_klim 6y ago

> I don't think people have much choice these days. Well, choice is about compromise. You have to choose between freedom and convenience, but you can choose. I'm saying that as a person who used 4 linux phones as daily drivers for last 10 years (n900, n9, jolla, xperia with sailfish). > There are other choices but are they mainstream Well there are. Maybe they are not mainstream because people value convenience over freedom, which is unfortunate to me, but who am I to dictate them my values. At least there are always some linux phones to choose from, and hopefully fabless/new open platforms would even increase the amount of such. I mean, 10 years ago it was nokia or nothing, today there are pinephone, fairphone, librem

forest_dweller 6y ago
Why should you choose between freedom and convenience? They are not mutually exclusive.
- ernst_klim 6y ago
  Of course they are. You need to invest a lot in your platform to make it convenient, so you have to be able to monetize it well enough.
  - zepto 6y ago
    I agree with forest dweller - they are not mutually exclusive. There are many open source products that have had huge investments without monetization.
    - ernst_klim 6y ago
      > There are many open source products that have had huge investments without monetization. Like what?
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  - forest_dweller 6y ago
    I am not talking about the software itself. I am talking about the ability to run whatever software you like. This means alternative OS or allowing someone to install another app store. They could literally put in a button to let you install what you like. In fact they already did this in the past.