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Real Hacker who has concern about her/his privacy wouldn't touch this kind of product with a 10 foot pole!

6510 6y ago
As a wise man once said: "haha, pwnd!"
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
And yet, Apple still has a reputation of being really privacy- and security- conscious. Windows' telemetry has had all the alarms raised for years now, and how does e.g. Canonical earn money? Same on mobile, Android phones - especially in the cheaper ranges - are dodgy as fuck when it comes to privacy and security.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  Does Apple really have literally all telemetry disabled by default, out of the box, on all devices? Is there an independent audit proving that? If so, I would buy all their products in an instant. Then how do they know what to fix/improve without that? I can't imagine average iOS/OSX users, who aren't devs, are writing and submitting detailed bug/crash reports on a regular basis. Or is it just bias and personal preference where "I don't mind Apple collecting my telemetry because I like Apple but Microsoft collecting my telemetry is evil because I hate Microsoft"? I don't have a dog in this fight but don't trust any for-profit company when it comes to privacy, no matter how good their PR is on the matter, especially since both of them(and most SV companies) were part of the NSA Prism bulk collection program[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
  - a_c_s 6y ago
    Apple gives you the option to turn telemetry on/off as part of the machine setup & OS upgrade process. This option is explained in simple english and not buried in the legalese.
    - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
      The question is, is the telemetry really off completely on mac or either? Is there any guarantee that Apple gets zero bytes of your data or do we just take their word for it because their products are shiny and cool?
      - zepto 6y ago
        Those questions apply to literally every computer. https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706
  - yencabulator 6y ago
    No hacker would trust Apple, or an independent audit, to make such a claim anyway.
- BLKNSLVR 6y ago
  There's a conundrum that requires further investigation which is the intertwining of the concepts of privacy and security and how in order to increase security protections of their products there must be a decrease of privacy. Security requires a probing knowledge of the details of what is running on the device. The same information that can contribute to increased security for the end user is also valuable to sell to advertisers if, delightfully ironically, the security vendor is ok sharing private information with said advertisers.
- WorldPeas 6y ago
  you can't apply nearly the same heavy accusations on canonical as you do on MS and apple, cannonical makes the glut of its money from ubuntu server. The os is just a byproduct, if you really want to get technical, you could say that ubuntu popcon tracks you, but you can disable that from the package manager settings, because "oh no! they have anonymized package usage records of me!"
megous 6y ago
Real hackers don't need secure boot and code signing either. :) Real hackers have backups, plan for failure, and are not afraid of consequences.

6510 6y ago

As a wise man once said: "haha, pwnd!"

And yet, Apple still has a reputation of being really privacy- and security- conscious. Windows' telemetry has had all the alarms raised for years now, and how does e.g. Canonical earn money? Same on mobile, Android phones - especially in the cheaper ranges - are dodgy as fuck when it comes to privacy and security.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
Does Apple really have literally all telemetry disabled by default, out of the box, on all devices? Is there an independent audit proving that? If so, I would buy all their products in an instant. Then how do they know what to fix/improve without that? I can't imagine average iOS/OSX users, who aren't devs, are writing and submitting detailed bug/crash reports on a regular basis. Or is it just bias and personal preference where "I don't mind Apple collecting my telemetry because I like Apple but Microsoft collecting my telemetry is evil because I hate Microsoft"? I don't have a dog in this fight but don't trust any for-profit company when it comes to privacy, no matter how good their PR is on the matter, especially since both of them(and most SV companies) were part of the NSA Prism bulk collection program[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
- a_c_s 6y ago
  Apple gives you the option to turn telemetry on/off as part of the machine setup & OS upgrade process. This option is explained in simple english and not buried in the legalese.
  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    The question is, is the telemetry really off completely on mac or either? Is there any guarantee that Apple gets zero bytes of your data or do we just take their word for it because their products are shiny and cool?
    - zepto 6y ago
      Those questions apply to literally every computer. https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5706
- yencabulator 6y ago
  No hacker would trust Apple, or an independent audit, to make such a claim anyway.
BLKNSLVR 6y ago
There's a conundrum that requires further investigation which is the intertwining of the concepts of privacy and security and how in order to increase security protections of their products there must be a decrease of privacy. Security requires a probing knowledge of the details of what is running on the device. The same information that can contribute to increased security for the end user is also valuable to sell to advertisers if, delightfully ironically, the security vendor is ok sharing private information with said advertisers.
WorldPeas 6y ago
you can't apply nearly the same heavy accusations on canonical as you do on MS and apple, cannonical makes the glut of its money from ubuntu server. The os is just a byproduct, if you really want to get technical, you could say that ubuntu popcon tracks you, but you can disable that from the package manager settings, because "oh no! they have anonymized package usage records of me!"

megous 6y ago

Real hackers don't need secure boot and code signing either. :) Real hackers have backups, plan for failure, and are not afraid of consequences.