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Apple has NOT being the same after steve is gone. It is MS 2.0 now! With better design and products of course, none the less the business practices are the sam

Apple has NOT being the same after steve is gone. It is MS 2.0 now! With better design and products of course, none the less the business practices are the same. Much this is enforced by the current economic and political system.

fakedang 6y ago
Not MS. MS today is much less into the anti-user, anti-privacy, rentseeking game, compared to Apple or Google. Apple today is M$ 2.0, as much as people here hate that trope.
- e_proxus 6y ago
  The privacy-invasive tracking in Windows 10 is much more obnoxious and tricky to workaround (since it is spread out and hard/impossible to disable). This tracking in macOS is at least under the guise of security whereas the Windows tracking is pure telemetry.
  - fakedang 6y ago
    And you can disable that tracking on setup /installation.
    - e_proxus 6y ago
      Not all in one place, and not everything. See for example https://superuser.com/a/1512224 https://superuser.com/a/1512224
- deepstack 6y ago
  MS is still the same, they just matured a bit. They just have to behave better in the open source community to attract the developers. I don't believe for a second that they are doing it for the benefit of information sovereignty or the development of tech and software. Their backdoor put a really bad taste in my mouth. Will try to avoid them if I can.
  - indigochill 6y ago
    > I don't believe for a second that they are doing it for the benefit of information sovereignty or the development of tech and software. They're doing it because the cloud is Linux and they need to get into the cloud because Nadella's vision for the MS OS going forward is a unified system that spans PCs, phones, tablets, IoT, everything, not just a desktop OS.
- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  > much less Define "much". Windows 10 is a mind-boggling privacy invasion. It's just the other offenders attract more attention, that's all.
  - fakedang 6y ago
    How about disable all privacy features on setup/installation? It's far easier than the amount of hoops one has to go through for Google.
- bserge 6y ago
  Only because their attempts at copying Apple and Google fail miserably. Otherwise, here's Windows 10, have it for free, hell, here's Linux on Windows, just stay on the OS, buy apps on the Store and see these ads! Also give us telemetry. Side note: no one cares, but I finally tracked down the cause of a really annoying bug, hibernation due to "thermal event" (CPU "overheating") in Windows 10: It's because of using dynamic disks in mirror mode (perhaps in other modes, as well). Makes Windows 10 hibernate randomly. Converted disks back to basic, no problems. Took me a long freaking time to finally solve this.
scns 6y ago
Yep, Steve Blank wrote an article analysing the situation in 2016: https://www.inc.com/steve-blank/tim-cook-steve-ballmer-visionary-ceo-replacement.html https://www.inc.com/steve-blank/tim-cook-steve-ballmer-visio...
- xtracto 6y ago
  That was a really good read, it really explains what has been happening to Apple in its post-Jobs life.

fakedang 6y ago

Not MS. MS today is much less into the anti-user, anti-privacy, rentseeking game, compared to Apple or Google. Apple today is M$ 2.0, as much as people here hate that trope.

e_proxus 6y ago
The privacy-invasive tracking in Windows 10 is much more obnoxious and tricky to workaround (since it is spread out and hard/impossible to disable). This tracking in macOS is at least under the guise of security whereas the Windows tracking is pure telemetry.
- fakedang 6y ago
  And you can disable that tracking on setup /installation.
  - e_proxus 6y ago
    Not all in one place, and not everything. See for example https://superuser.com/a/1512224 https://superuser.com/a/1512224
deepstack 6y ago
MS is still the same, they just matured a bit. They just have to behave better in the open source community to attract the developers. I don't believe for a second that they are doing it for the benefit of information sovereignty or the development of tech and software. Their backdoor put a really bad taste in my mouth. Will try to avoid them if I can.
- indigochill 6y ago
  > I don't believe for a second that they are doing it for the benefit of information sovereignty or the development of tech and software. They're doing it because the cloud is Linux and they need to get into the cloud because Nadella's vision for the MS OS going forward is a unified system that spans PCs, phones, tablets, IoT, everything, not just a desktop OS.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> much less Define "much". Windows 10 is a mind-boggling privacy invasion. It's just the other offenders attract more attention, that's all.
- fakedang 6y ago
  How about disable all privacy features on setup/installation? It's far easier than the amount of hoops one has to go through for Google.
bserge 6y ago
Only because their attempts at copying Apple and Google fail miserably. Otherwise, here's Windows 10, have it for free, hell, here's Linux on Windows, just stay on the OS, buy apps on the Store and see these ads! Also give us telemetry. Side note: no one cares, but I finally tracked down the cause of a really annoying bug, hibernation due to "thermal event" (CPU "overheating") in Windows 10: It's because of using dynamic disks in mirror mode (perhaps in other modes, as well). Makes Windows 10 hibernate randomly. Converted disks back to basic, no problems. Took me a long freaking time to finally solve this.

scns 6y ago

Yep, Steve Blank wrote an article analysing the situation in 2016: https://www.inc.com/steve-blank/tim-cook-steve-ballmer-visionary-ceo-replacement.html https://www.inc.com/steve-blank/tim-cook-steve-ballmer-visio...

xtracto 6y ago
That was a really good read, it really explains what has been happening to Apple in its post-Jobs life.