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> They are in fact correct that [insert anything] are scary and too complex for them to manage, and they want someone they can trust to do it for them Is this

> They are in fact correct that [insert anything] are scary and too complex for them to manage, and they want someone they can trust to do it for them Is this an argument for forced autonomous cars or stopping selling of knives because they are scary and you can cut yourself while cooking?

zepto 6y ago
Why would you think that? I vehemently oppose government regulation of software distribution, precisely because otherwise we won’t be able to develop a true alternative. I don’t want people to be prevented from using dangerous tools such as sharp knives, or manual vehicles. But neither do I want them to be forced to take risks they don’t want to take.
thotsBgone 6y ago
Forced autonomous cars: Yes, once they are good enough. We make people wear seat-belts. Same thing. Stopping selling of knives: Yes, once we have a safer way of cutting things. Though the real problem is probably people cutting each other on purpose, rather than themselves by accident.
- forest_dweller 6y ago
  > Forced autonomous cars: Yes, once they are good enough. We make people wear seat-belts. Same thing. Selt belt wearing is rarely enforced anywhere (especially in Europe, in Italy nobody wears one even though it is illegal). As for autonomous cars. If they ever work, one of the first mods people will do is to add a steering wheel. > Stopping selling of knives: Yes, once we have a safer way of cutting things. Knives are a safe way of cutting things. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. > Though the real problem is probably people cutting each other on purpose, rather than themselves by accident. How are you going to stop people from making knives? Humans have been making them for several 1000s of years, IIRC Chimps can make them now. In prisons they literally make shives out of toilet paper. In the UK carrying knives is banned and their sale is heavily restricted. However in our capital city we still have a lot of knife violence. Guns are also heavily restricted but people still have those illegally and people do get shot. My uncle is a convicted bank robber, he had plenty of guns. You are solving the wrong problem. You must solve the problem of why people are being violent to one another. That will actually make people safer.
  - thotsBgone 6y ago
    > Seat belt wearing is rarely enforced anywhere Maybe where you live. Everybody wears one here. > Knives are a safe way of cutting things. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. You probably missed the part where I said we would only outlaw knives if we had a safer way of cutting things (reliably).
    - forest_dweller 6y ago
      > Maybe where you live. Everybody wears one here. Enforcement and compliance are two different things. I was saying that it cannot be enforced. Not that people won't comply. > You probably missed the part where I said we would only outlaw knives if we had a safer way of cutting things (reliably) You seemed to misunderstand. The way we have is perfectly safe as it is. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. There is neither the incentive or need to. You cannot enforce the ban of knives as they are soooo trivial to make (you can make a knife by hitting a large stone against a piece of flint). Even in a very locked down environment such as a prison inmates still manage to acquire them or produce them. Even if in your fantasy world you did outlaw them and was successful. People would hit each other with Baseball bats, Umbrellas, Pieces of wood, Bricks, lumps of metal. You must solve the problem of why people are being violent not what they are using to be violent.
      - thotsBgone 6y ago
        > Baseball bats, Umbrellas, Pieces of wood, Bricks, lumps of metal. That's a good list of items less deadly than a knife.
        forest_dweller 6y ago
        Make shift weapons can easily be as dangerous (or more so than a knife). People have lost their lives by simply being punched in the head. Life isn’t like the Hollywood action movies, the human body can be very fragile. It is obvious that you are either idiotic or disingenuous. Judging by the user name, I would guess the second. Have a nice day.

zepto 6y ago

Why would you think that? I vehemently oppose government regulation of software distribution, precisely because otherwise we won’t be able to develop a true alternative. I don’t want people to be prevented from using dangerous tools such as sharp knives, or manual vehicles. But neither do I want them to be forced to take risks they don’t want to take.

thotsBgone 6y ago

Forced autonomous cars: Yes, once they are good enough. We make people wear seat-belts. Same thing. Stopping selling of knives: Yes, once we have a safer way of cutting things. Though the real problem is probably people cutting each other on purpose, rather than themselves by accident.

forest_dweller 6y ago
> Forced autonomous cars: Yes, once they are good enough. We make people wear seat-belts. Same thing. Selt belt wearing is rarely enforced anywhere (especially in Europe, in Italy nobody wears one even though it is illegal). As for autonomous cars. If they ever work, one of the first mods people will do is to add a steering wheel. > Stopping selling of knives: Yes, once we have a safer way of cutting things. Knives are a safe way of cutting things. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. > Though the real problem is probably people cutting each other on purpose, rather than themselves by accident. How are you going to stop people from making knives? Humans have been making them for several 1000s of years, IIRC Chimps can make them now. In prisons they literally make shives out of toilet paper. In the UK carrying knives is banned and their sale is heavily restricted. However in our capital city we still have a lot of knife violence. Guns are also heavily restricted but people still have those illegally and people do get shot. My uncle is a convicted bank robber, he had plenty of guns. You are solving the wrong problem. You must solve the problem of why people are being violent to one another. That will actually make people safer.
- thotsBgone 6y ago
  > Seat belt wearing is rarely enforced anywhere Maybe where you live. Everybody wears one here. > Knives are a safe way of cutting things. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. You probably missed the part where I said we would only outlaw knives if we had a safer way of cutting things (reliably).
  - forest_dweller 6y ago
    > Maybe where you live. Everybody wears one here. Enforcement and compliance are two different things. I was saying that it cannot be enforced. Not that people won't comply. > You probably missed the part where I said we would only outlaw knives if we had a safer way of cutting things (reliably) You seemed to misunderstand. The way we have is perfectly safe as it is. Billions of people use them everyday without issue. There is neither the incentive or need to. You cannot enforce the ban of knives as they are soooo trivial to make (you can make a knife by hitting a large stone against a piece of flint). Even in a very locked down environment such as a prison inmates still manage to acquire them or produce them. Even if in your fantasy world you did outlaw them and was successful. People would hit each other with Baseball bats, Umbrellas, Pieces of wood, Bricks, lumps of metal. You must solve the problem of why people are being violent not what they are using to be violent.
    - thotsBgone 6y ago
      > Baseball bats, Umbrellas, Pieces of wood, Bricks, lumps of metal. That's a good list of items less deadly than a knife.
      - forest_dweller 6y ago
        Make shift weapons can easily be as dangerous (or more so than a knife). People have lost their lives by simply being punched in the head. Life isn’t like the Hollywood action movies, the human body can be very fragile. It is obvious that you are either idiotic or disingenuous. Judging by the user name, I would guess the second. Have a nice day.