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I was looking into various differences among demographics which use and prefer apple products. Nobody rated any of the problems often thrown in here as a priori

I was looking into various differences among demographics which use and prefer apple products. Nobody rated any of the problems often thrown in here as a priority. Majority of iPhone users are women and HN/reddit are primarily men dominated. It should be no surprise that apple caters to aesthetics over thermals and you see people complaining about that on these platforms. Apple customers put status and prestige when deciding to purchase something above cost. They are rich. They care about environment that's why apple "care" about environment. They care about privacy which is why apple "care" about privacy. So for them, it's reasonable to change the device than allow it to be repaired at some shady shop. It's consistent with their image. They can't compromise on privacy or safety because that's why they bought into apple ecosystem. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/26/apple-does-not-let-bad-guys-use-iphones-on-screen https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/feb/26/apple-doe...

JimTheMan 6y ago
>Majority of iPhone users are women I sold iPhones for years and never noticed this trend. I highly doubt it is true in any significant way. I would also challenge the assumption that women want aesthetics over some other factor. In this day and age, that's an incredibly 'old fashioned' statement to make. From what I could tell. People bought iPhones because they were: a)Cool and of good quality. (Your everyman can just go buy an iPhone and KNOW it won't be junk. They don't know the other brands and researching stuff is a pain in the ass) b)They were used to using them and didn't want to use android/didn't like using android phones c)They had shit experiences with other platforms and just wanted something 'that would just work' d)The iPhone really was the first good smartphone on the scene. They have inertia associated with points a->c above.
- damnencryption 6y ago
  > that's an incredibly 'old fashioned' statement to make If spending in cosmetics industry is any indicator, women definitely cares about how something looks over men. There are hard number even if you don't believe in the various evolution theories and biological differences which makes women more prone to noticing subtle visual and design cues. From 2010: https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples_iphone_men_prefer_google_android_nielsen_finds https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples... From 2013: https://www.statista.com/statistics/271204/android-vs-iphone-mobile-owners-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271204/android-vs-iphone... From 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/513995/smartphone-user-gender-distribution-by-os/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/513995/smartphone-user-g... I am not aware of any large scale recent surveys focused entirely on that but there are many dating surveys which reports women having preference for men with iPhones. Likely dubious at the numbers most of them report (70%?) and could be influenced by other factors but still it seems women do prefer iPhones more. I don't think this should be odd. iPhones have the best overall cameras every year and are huge on Instagram and Pinterest (platforms dominated by women) so I can only extrapolate the difference would be bigger now with social media booming.
  - JAlexoid 6y ago
    If you wanted to compare purely biological imperatives, then you'd only take data from cultures that treat women and men wearing makeup equally. As such - men spend a lot on fashion and grooming, while the same can be said about women and cosmetics... but that's mostly about cultural customs. PS: Only the latest iPhone has best camera. They traded places with Pixel, Samsung, etc... over the last few years. PPS: Your stats are a little bit out of date... Let alone - the 2013 data contradicts your claim. Women are distributed between Android and iPhone equally in 2013. There would be a shift towards iPhone, if women wanted iPhone more.
    - damnencryption 6y ago
      For cultural customs, I am not sure which country to take. For US and UK (which dominate the statistics on stuff like this due to language and other factors), women spend significantly more. > The 2013 data contradicts your claim. It doesn't. Men want iPhone less than women. My initial point was simply that people here and on reddit (men dominated sites) are not reflective of apple's focus. 31% of men wanted Android while only 24% of women wanted the same. > PS: Only the latest iPhone has best camera. They traded places with Pixel, Samsung, etc... over the last few years. This is misleading. While iPhones fared worse than pixel in photo department for 3 years, they make up to it in other aspects especially video. As for Samsung, it depends on what you consider better camera. iPhone arguably has the best color profile and accuracy while Samsung phones does beautification and increase contrast which does make them look nicer but overall, not accurate.
      - JAlexoid 6y ago
        > For cultural customs, I am not sure which country to take. For US and UK (which dominate the statistics on stuff like this due to language and other factors), women spend significantly more. You're trying to make a biological preference claim out of what is customary in the Western European cultures. Sometimes it's better to say that "we don't know", because that is exactly it. > This is misleading. No... Your original was misleading, I just forced you to correct yourself.
  - 6y ago

JimTheMan 6y ago

>Majority of iPhone users are women I sold iPhones for years and never noticed this trend. I highly doubt it is true in any significant way. I would also challenge the assumption that women want aesthetics over some other factor. In this day and age, that's an incredibly 'old fashioned' statement to make. From what I could tell. People bought iPhones because they were: a)Cool and of good quality. (Your everyman can just go buy an iPhone and KNOW it won't be junk. They don't know the other brands and researching stuff is a pain in the ass) b)They were used to using them and didn't want to use android/didn't like using android phones c)They had shit experiences with other platforms and just wanted something 'that would just work' d)The iPhone really was the first good smartphone on the scene. They have inertia associated with points a->c above.

damnencryption 6y ago
> that's an incredibly 'old fashioned' statement to make If spending in cosmetics industry is any indicator, women definitely cares about how something looks over men. There are hard number even if you don't believe in the various evolution theories and biological differences which makes women more prone to noticing subtle visual and design cues. From 2010: https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples_iphone_men_prefer_google_android_nielsen_finds https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/01/women_want_apples... From 2013: https://www.statista.com/statistics/271204/android-vs-iphone-mobile-owners-gender/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271204/android-vs-iphone... From 2015: https://www.statista.com/statistics/513995/smartphone-user-gender-distribution-by-os/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/513995/smartphone-user-g... I am not aware of any large scale recent surveys focused entirely on that but there are many dating surveys which reports women having preference for men with iPhones. Likely dubious at the numbers most of them report (70%?) and could be influenced by other factors but still it seems women do prefer iPhones more. I don't think this should be odd. iPhones have the best overall cameras every year and are huge on Instagram and Pinterest (platforms dominated by women) so I can only extrapolate the difference would be bigger now with social media booming.
- JAlexoid 6y ago
  If you wanted to compare purely biological imperatives, then you'd only take data from cultures that treat women and men wearing makeup equally. As such - men spend a lot on fashion and grooming, while the same can be said about women and cosmetics... but that's mostly about cultural customs. PS: Only the latest iPhone has best camera. They traded places with Pixel, Samsung, etc... over the last few years. PPS: Your stats are a little bit out of date... Let alone - the 2013 data contradicts your claim. Women are distributed between Android and iPhone equally in 2013. There would be a shift towards iPhone, if women wanted iPhone more.
  - damnencryption 6y ago
    For cultural customs, I am not sure which country to take. For US and UK (which dominate the statistics on stuff like this due to language and other factors), women spend significantly more. > The 2013 data contradicts your claim. It doesn't. Men want iPhone less than women. My initial point was simply that people here and on reddit (men dominated sites) are not reflective of apple's focus. 31% of men wanted Android while only 24% of women wanted the same. > PS: Only the latest iPhone has best camera. They traded places with Pixel, Samsung, etc... over the last few years. This is misleading. While iPhones fared worse than pixel in photo department for 3 years, they make up to it in other aspects especially video. As for Samsung, it depends on what you consider better camera. iPhone arguably has the best color profile and accuracy while Samsung phones does beautification and increase contrast which does make them look nicer but overall, not accurate.
    - JAlexoid 6y ago
      > For cultural customs, I am not sure which country to take. For US and UK (which dominate the statistics on stuff like this due to language and other factors), women spend significantly more. You're trying to make a biological preference claim out of what is customary in the Western European cultures. Sometimes it's better to say that "we don't know", because that is exactly it. > This is misleading. No... Your original was misleading, I just forced you to correct yourself.
- 6y ago