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"I haven't seen anything controversial in the news" It's literally on every page of the news. The Trump campaign is trying to discredit the results of the ele

by jariel 6y ago

"I haven't seen anything controversial in the news" It's literally on every page of the news. The Trump campaign is trying to discredit the results of the election by any means possible. The issue of 'electronic voting' is only a concern were there to be an election among regular people, interested in determining the actual truth. It's much worse when people in positions of power just make up the truth 'because they can'. Whatever Trump says, evidence or not, maybe 20% of the US population will believe. If he Tweets it, it's 'true'. This is why we're really concerned about information propagation - now the vast majority of people will 'believe' what's on the news because it's the job of journos to determine the truth - we don't have time as individuals to hunt down every little irregularity. That's why integrity in the media system is really important. Social Media has no institutional integrity whatsoever - and there's absolutely no amount of 'evidence' that will convince certain people against what their 'Dear Leader' said. Any random person can start a meme, and that meme becomes 'truth'. 'The Stolen Election' meme is a populist ploy, not one based on any real evidence of systematic problems, it's a fabricated narrative. 'Both sides' are guilty of a lot of bad narrative-making but this one is particularly pernicious.

jkhdigital 6y ago
Don’t forget about the other 20% who will believe anything sourced from an anonymous intelligence official
- jariel 6y ago
  You mean like Wikileaks? No, the 20% not 'believing' just the 'Anon. Official' - they are believing the information on the basis of verification by a journalistic institution with supposed credibility. 'Anonymous Sources' are a mainline source of journalistic information, and journos basically put their entire credibility on the line when they vet info and then communicate said information. The press didn't lie when representing 'anonymous officials' in 2016 rather, they communicated the information. Where the press did a 'bad job' was misrepresenting the nature of Russian-Trump relations, which basically were nill. The MSM seriously cast doubt on the legitimacy of Trump for a long time, frankly I think 'everyone actually believed it' and it was a surprise when it turns out Trump and his ragtag team were lying to the FBI for really no good reason at all and in fact had really no direct connections to Russia. Too clownish even to be actually corrupt, unless they actually were in some cases - as remember some major figures in Trump's campaign were eventually indicated. Trump's campaign manager, buddies, personal lawyer - all ended up in jail. That's not 'nothing'. Ironically, if Trump & Co. acted responsibly during the Mueller investigation - his pleas of 'Unfair!' might have actually worked, but he's such a liar that he only makes himself look guilty. But Trump's lies, in contrast to media spin, are a whole other level of falsity - he literally invents facts without any basis whatsoever. He's not 'spinning' the facts, he's literally inventing them. On election night when he said 'If they count the good votes, I win, the fake votes, they win' - this was probably the most dangerous statement he's ever made, he was verging on plunging the US into a garbage African Republic. At that moment it was clear that he had to go, he's a greater threat to the Republic than any foreign invader. He's willing to destroy democracy for his own power and vanity. His world view is literally: "If I win it's because I'm great, if they win, it's because they cheated" irrespective of any reality. Fox News, in the lat few days, has had to pull away from his statements quite a few times, it's shocking.
noxer 6y ago
>because it's the job of journos to determine the truth You got that wrong, that absolutely not their job.

by jariel 6y ago

jkhdigital 6y ago

Don’t forget about the other 20% who will believe anything sourced from an anonymous intelligence official

jariel 6y ago
You mean like Wikileaks? No, the 20% not 'believing' just the 'Anon. Official' - they are believing the information on the basis of verification by a journalistic institution with supposed credibility. 'Anonymous Sources' are a mainline source of journalistic information, and journos basically put their entire credibility on the line when they vet info and then communicate said information. The press didn't lie when representing 'anonymous officials' in 2016 rather, they communicated the information. Where the press did a 'bad job' was misrepresenting the nature of Russian-Trump relations, which basically were nill. The MSM seriously cast doubt on the legitimacy of Trump for a long time, frankly I think 'everyone actually believed it' and it was a surprise when it turns out Trump and his ragtag team were lying to the FBI for really no good reason at all and in fact had really no direct connections to Russia. Too clownish even to be actually corrupt, unless they actually were in some cases - as remember some major figures in Trump's campaign were eventually indicated. Trump's campaign manager, buddies, personal lawyer - all ended up in jail. That's not 'nothing'. Ironically, if Trump & Co. acted responsibly during the Mueller investigation - his pleas of 'Unfair!' might have actually worked, but he's such a liar that he only makes himself look guilty. But Trump's lies, in contrast to media spin, are a whole other level of falsity - he literally invents facts without any basis whatsoever. He's not 'spinning' the facts, he's literally inventing them. On election night when he said 'If they count the good votes, I win, the fake votes, they win' - this was probably the most dangerous statement he's ever made, he was verging on plunging the US into a garbage African Republic. At that moment it was clear that he had to go, he's a greater threat to the Republic than any foreign invader. He's willing to destroy democracy for his own power and vanity. His world view is literally: "If I win it's because I'm great, if they win, it's because they cheated" irrespective of any reality. Fox News, in the lat few days, has had to pull away from his statements quite a few times, it's shocking.

noxer 6y ago

>because it's the job of journos to determine the truth You got that wrong, that absolutely not their job.