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Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-admits-ThinkPad-CPU-throttling-problem-

Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-admits-ThinkPad-CPU-throttling-problem-when-running-Linux-fix-in-development.435549.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-admits-ThinkPad-CPU-thr... As far as I know this issue is still not fixed so I have to use this hack: https://github.com/erpalma/throttled https://github.com/erpalma/throttled I’ve also had tremendous Thunderbolt-related firmware issues that could only be fixed in Windows. If you use Linux, there are much better options than Lenovo. I still use my T480 daily but I miss my old XPS 13, which gave me no issues ever.

tobinfricke 6y ago
I run Linux (Debian) on my Lenovo X1 Carbon and it works perfectly.
- bluedino 6y ago
  Linux works perfectly on mine as well, but I use Fedora. The trackpad is bearable, and I have a 3rd generation so my 1080p screen isn't IPS, but it works well enough for $200.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    Not sure about Carbons, but for T-series there are aftermarket IPS displays that you could swap for the original TN ones. Could be done in 30 min, with no previous experience, just with the service manuals from Lenovo and enough dexterity to handle a screwdriver.
snvzz 6y ago
>Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux. Absolutely no trouble on x395. It's been running Linux (Arch) for a year, and it is my main system.
- nemosaltat 6y ago
  Piling on to say I cut on teeth on Linux installing Breezy Badger on a Thinkpad T20. Since then I’ve never struggled with a Debian based OS on Thinkpads.
bayindirh 6y ago
Thinkpad was one of the first laptop series which supported Linux explicitly. Their competitor was Compaq NX series (HP EliteBook of today). Dell was late to the party and closed the gap by actively developing software for Linux (DKMS, Privacy Drivers, etc.).
- hoseja 6y ago
  I don't think you can conflate classic Thinkpad and current "Thinkpad".
  - jbay808 6y ago
    Why not? Lenovo's ThinkPad line is still quite differentiated from their other offerings. What are your objections to it?
    - Zak 6y ago
      When IBM didn't like the panels they could source for Thinkpads, they started a new company called International Display Technology to manufacture panels they did like. Thinkpads used to be special. While it's entirely possible there's a connection between decisions like that and IBM's PC division being unprofitable enough they sold it to Lenovo, it might be reasonable to hope that Lenovo would make the effort to offer competitive panels when it's obviously possible for their competitors to source them.
  - bayindirh 6y ago
    Are they doing anything to prevent Linux from running well on them? As far as I can tell, since all big three (XPS, EliteBook and Thinkpad) are considered enterprise devices and their BIOS, IO tables and hardware layouts are crafted with Linux compatibility in mind. They're explicitly sold with FreeDOS option to imply that you can directly install Linux on them. Even my run on off the mill desktop shows more soft-errors about IO layout and memory mapped devices on board.
mtzet 6y ago
Exceptionally bad is a bit harsh. Windows is first tier support with Linux coming in as a second. In my experience they are pretty good about fixing remaining issues in firmware updates, which can be installed using fwupd (I don't have a Windows partition at all). I belive there's even a GNOME Software front-end if you prefer things being very easy. I don't need to use throttled on my X1 Carbon 7th and they recently added mainline support for the fingerprint reader. All I had to do was enable it in GNOME Settings.
- robertbalent 6y ago
  I have X1 Carbon 7th and need to use throttled to get full power. Try to run performance test with s-tui if you see a difference. On Arch the command to enable the fix is: sudo systemctl enable --now lenovo_fix.service
- mlang23 6y ago
  I love my X1 (also 7th). This is the laptop which made me retire my actual desktop. Bought a docking station and a MOTU 8A for sound connectivity, and have no need for a classical desktop since. I am not into gaming or graphics though. Still, with my (unusual) usage pattern I get almost 10 hours battery life time on the road, and all the CPU power I need locally. For heavy stuff, I compile remotely anyway.
  - isbjorn16 6y ago
    I can't stand the (lack) of brightness on my X1 7th gen. Is that not a problem for you? I can't for the life of me get it to be bright enough to use in a lit room. A bit of hyperbole here, but I basically have to hide in a closet and stuff a towel under the door to see the fucking screen. I love the keyboard, but I basically won't use the thing now because it's such a drag to use.
    - dahfizz 6y ago
      I don't think I've ever even set my 7th gen X1C to full brightness, it's perfectly usable. Is this a problem you tend to have with screens?
eptcyka 6y ago
The firmware issues are fixed just fine with fwupdmgr. It also integrates nicely with Gnome.
diffeomorphism 6y ago
You can even buy thinkpads with ubuntu out of the box now, so hard disagree.
- cylinder714 6y ago
  I don't know about Ubuntu, but Lenovo offers machines with Fedora already installed.
dahfizz 6y ago
> Lenovo has now admitted to the problem – and announced that it will be fixed. How is that exceptionally bad support? I'd say that's the opposite. I get firmware updates on my X1C because Lenovo decides to work with fwupd and the open source community, something most manufacturers refuse to do.

tobinfricke 6y ago

I run Linux (Debian) on my Lenovo X1 Carbon and it works perfectly.

bluedino 6y ago
Linux works perfectly on mine as well, but I use Fedora. The trackpad is bearable, and I have a 3rd generation so my 1080p screen isn't IPS, but it works well enough for $200.
- vetinari 6y ago
  Not sure about Carbons, but for T-series there are aftermarket IPS displays that you could swap for the original TN ones. Could be done in 30 min, with no previous experience, just with the service manuals from Lenovo and enough dexterity to handle a screwdriver.

snvzz 6y ago

>Lenovo might be known that way, but they are exceptionally bad at supporting Linux. Absolutely no trouble on x395. It's been running Linux (Arch) for a year, and it is my main system.

nemosaltat 6y ago
Piling on to say I cut on teeth on Linux installing Breezy Badger on a Thinkpad T20. Since then I’ve never struggled with a Debian based OS on Thinkpads.

bayindirh 6y ago

Thinkpad was one of the first laptop series which supported Linux explicitly. Their competitor was Compaq NX series (HP EliteBook of today). Dell was late to the party and closed the gap by actively developing software for Linux (DKMS, Privacy Drivers, etc.).

hoseja 6y ago
I don't think you can conflate classic Thinkpad and current "Thinkpad".
- jbay808 6y ago
  Why not? Lenovo's ThinkPad line is still quite differentiated from their other offerings. What are your objections to it?
  - Zak 6y ago
    When IBM didn't like the panels they could source for Thinkpads, they started a new company called International Display Technology to manufacture panels they did like. Thinkpads used to be special. While it's entirely possible there's a connection between decisions like that and IBM's PC division being unprofitable enough they sold it to Lenovo, it might be reasonable to hope that Lenovo would make the effort to offer competitive panels when it's obviously possible for their competitors to source them.
- bayindirh 6y ago
  Are they doing anything to prevent Linux from running well on them? As far as I can tell, since all big three (XPS, EliteBook and Thinkpad) are considered enterprise devices and their BIOS, IO tables and hardware layouts are crafted with Linux compatibility in mind. They're explicitly sold with FreeDOS option to imply that you can directly install Linux on them. Even my run on off the mill desktop shows more soft-errors about IO layout and memory mapped devices on board.

mtzet 6y ago

Exceptionally bad is a bit harsh. Windows is first tier support with Linux coming in as a second. In my experience they are pretty good about fixing remaining issues in firmware updates, which can be installed using fwupd (I don't have a Windows partition at all). I belive there's even a GNOME Software front-end if you prefer things being very easy. I don't need to use throttled on my X1 Carbon 7th and they recently added mainline support for the fingerprint reader. All I had to do was enable it in GNOME Settings.

robertbalent 6y ago
I have X1 Carbon 7th and need to use throttled to get full power. Try to run performance test with s-tui if you see a difference. On Arch the command to enable the fix is: sudo systemctl enable --now lenovo_fix.service
mlang23 6y ago
I love my X1 (also 7th). This is the laptop which made me retire my actual desktop. Bought a docking station and a MOTU 8A for sound connectivity, and have no need for a classical desktop since. I am not into gaming or graphics though. Still, with my (unusual) usage pattern I get almost 10 hours battery life time on the road, and all the CPU power I need locally. For heavy stuff, I compile remotely anyway.
- isbjorn16 6y ago
  I can't stand the (lack) of brightness on my X1 7th gen. Is that not a problem for you? I can't for the life of me get it to be bright enough to use in a lit room. A bit of hyperbole here, but I basically have to hide in a closet and stuff a towel under the door to see the fucking screen. I love the keyboard, but I basically won't use the thing now because it's such a drag to use.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    I don't think I've ever even set my 7th gen X1C to full brightness, it's perfectly usable. Is this a problem you tend to have with screens?

eptcyka 6y ago

The firmware issues are fixed just fine with fwupdmgr. It also integrates nicely with Gnome.

diffeomorphism 6y ago

You can even buy thinkpads with ubuntu out of the box now, so hard disagree.

cylinder714 6y ago
I don't know about Ubuntu, but Lenovo offers machines with Fedora already installed.

dahfizz 6y ago

> Lenovo has now admitted to the problem – and announced that it will be fixed. How is that exceptionally bad support? I'd say that's the opposite. I get firmware updates on my X1C because Lenovo decides to work with fwupd and the open source community, something most manufacturers refuse to do.