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Some self hosting options: Gitea: https://gitea.io/ https://gitea.io/ sourcehut: https://sourcehut.org/ https://sourcehut.org/ Gogs: https://gogs.io/ http

Some self hosting options: Gitea: https://gitea.io/ https://gitea.io/ sourcehut: https://sourcehut.org/ https://sourcehut.org/ Gogs: https://gogs.io/ https://gogs.io/ Gitlab: https://gitlab.com/ https://gitlab.com/

judge2020 6y ago
This has been brought up before in the other threads, but just because you self host doesn't mean you can ignore DMCA takedown requests. You can choose to ignore such DMCA requests if they decide to send one to your self-hosted website, but not honoring it means you think you're not infringing on their copyright and are willing to go to court over it. If they don't want to go this far, or you try to not include contact info, they'll probably first send a DMCA to your web host/registrar who will suspend your hosting/website unless you counter-notice, which still means you've got to be ready to fight a lawsuit (note that Cloudflare forwards DMCA requests to your web host company, so you can't hide behind CF).
- snvzz 6y ago
  >DMCA Is a very US specific request.
  - formerly_proven 6y ago
    DMCA itself is obviously an US law, but many Western countries have similar laws.
    - pmlnr 6y ago
      Point me at them, please.
      - zinekeller 6y ago
        Well, since youtube-dl was the news, they have cited a German decision on the takedown request, which solely references German law. I don't know German enough to find this specific law, but I do know that by default copyright associations have a presumption to copyrights over certain media (like GEMA's case in music, which is used on YouTube around 2010, and Google was found guilty of that and therefore Google pays royalties to GEMA).
      - saddlerustle 6y ago
        Eg every EU country has laws broadly equivalent to the DMCA as a result of EU Directive 2001/29/EC [1] The DMCA itself is just the US's implementation of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty. 96 other countries have ratified it [2] [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32001L0029 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A... [2] https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=en&treaty_id=16 https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=en&tre...
    - intellirogue 6y ago
      As someone outside of the US, luckily it seems most US companies think that US law applies globally. I've got quite a few DMCA notices from rights holders, but never anything actually relevant to the country of my citizenship, where I live, or where the server is based. So, naturally, I can just ignore them.
- ivolimmen 6y ago
  I would be very interested what they can do when I run this locally on my own machine at home (true self-host). Plus I live in the Netherlands...
  - necovek 6y ago
    You still got your ISP which likely includes some verbiage in the contract about prohibited use (but even if it doesn't, if the law makes it illegal, you and your ISP can be taken to court with it).
  - daniellarusso 6y ago
    In the US, I have seen Verizon Fios shut off a user’s connection in response to a DMCA takedown notice (hosting a server at home).
  - jeroenhd 6y ago
    Dutch law also has provisions against DRM circumvention technologies, so if they have proof that you're doing it, you can expect a lawsuit. They won't find proof if you host the code on a git instance that's only accessible to you, but if you share that server with the internet, you can expect the RIAA (or more likely, their friends over at BREIN) to sue you (after getting your details from your ISP through another lawsuit). Responding to a DMCA is free, copyright lawsuits are purposely expensive. You'd better have money for a good lawyer or good legal insurance if you plan on sharing your local Gitlab with such code. One thing I considered is getting myself an instance of a small Gitlab clone with little attack surface and hosting the code on TOR. Ignoring the potential ethical issues, that should provide good defence against legal repercussions from groups like the RIAA and the MPAA. There's always a possibility that you'd get Kim Dotcom'd if your code gets popular enough, though.
- 0xbkt 6y ago
  Just out of curiosity, how does it go with Cloudflare Workers? Obviously, any proxying is done dynamically in your own code, with no DNS records saved with Cloudflare. What's actually counted as a "web host company" or "origin" to which claims are forwarded with Workers?
  - judge2020 6y ago
    CF indeed becomes the actual host of the content, so I imagine (if it gets routed correctly) trust&safety will suspend the worker and/or the worker KV namespace until you contact support to counter.
CameronNemo 6y ago
Are any of these Tor friendly?
- ComputerGuru 6y ago
  They’re self-hosted, as in 127.0.0.1 or 192.168.x.y
- npteljes 6y ago
  I think the friendliest will be sourcehut, which is both FOSS and works without JS too.
- LockAndLol 6y ago
  Here's a guide for gitlab and i2p https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/git-bundle https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/git-bundle
- driverdan 6y ago
  You can send any traffic through Tor, so yes.
  - CameronNemo 6y ago
    For has a significant impact on latency, and use of JavaScript is often discouraged because it can be made to deanonymize users.

judge2020 6y ago

This has been brought up before in the other threads, but just because you self host doesn't mean you can ignore DMCA takedown requests. You can choose to ignore such DMCA requests if they decide to send one to your self-hosted website, but not honoring it means you think you're not infringing on their copyright and are willing to go to court over it. If they don't want to go this far, or you try to not include contact info, they'll probably first send a DMCA to your web host/registrar who will suspend your hosting/website unless you counter-notice, which still means you've got to be ready to fight a lawsuit (note that Cloudflare forwards DMCA requests to your web host company, so you can't hide behind CF).

snvzz 6y ago
>DMCA Is a very US specific request.
- formerly_proven 6y ago
  DMCA itself is obviously an US law, but many Western countries have similar laws.
  - pmlnr 6y ago
    Point me at them, please.
    - zinekeller 6y ago
      Well, since youtube-dl was the news, they have cited a German decision on the takedown request, which solely references German law. I don't know German enough to find this specific law, but I do know that by default copyright associations have a presumption to copyrights over certain media (like GEMA's case in music, which is used on YouTube around 2010, and Google was found guilty of that and therefore Google pays royalties to GEMA).
    - saddlerustle 6y ago
      Eg every EU country has laws broadly equivalent to the DMCA as a result of EU Directive 2001/29/EC [1] The DMCA itself is just the US's implementation of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty. 96 other countries have ratified it [2] [1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32001L0029 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A... [2] https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=en&treaty_id=16 https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=en&tre...
  - intellirogue 6y ago
    As someone outside of the US, luckily it seems most US companies think that US law applies globally. I've got quite a few DMCA notices from rights holders, but never anything actually relevant to the country of my citizenship, where I live, or where the server is based. So, naturally, I can just ignore them.
ivolimmen 6y ago
I would be very interested what they can do when I run this locally on my own machine at home (true self-host). Plus I live in the Netherlands...
- necovek 6y ago
  You still got your ISP which likely includes some verbiage in the contract about prohibited use (but even if it doesn't, if the law makes it illegal, you and your ISP can be taken to court with it).
- daniellarusso 6y ago
  In the US, I have seen Verizon Fios shut off a user’s connection in response to a DMCA takedown notice (hosting a server at home).
- jeroenhd 6y ago
  Dutch law also has provisions against DRM circumvention technologies, so if they have proof that you're doing it, you can expect a lawsuit. They won't find proof if you host the code on a git instance that's only accessible to you, but if you share that server with the internet, you can expect the RIAA (or more likely, their friends over at BREIN) to sue you (after getting your details from your ISP through another lawsuit). Responding to a DMCA is free, copyright lawsuits are purposely expensive. You'd better have money for a good lawyer or good legal insurance if you plan on sharing your local Gitlab with such code. One thing I considered is getting myself an instance of a small Gitlab clone with little attack surface and hosting the code on TOR. Ignoring the potential ethical issues, that should provide good defence against legal repercussions from groups like the RIAA and the MPAA. There's always a possibility that you'd get Kim Dotcom'd if your code gets popular enough, though.
0xbkt 6y ago
Just out of curiosity, how does it go with Cloudflare Workers? Obviously, any proxying is done dynamically in your own code, with no DNS records saved with Cloudflare. What's actually counted as a "web host company" or "origin" to which claims are forwarded with Workers?
- judge2020 6y ago
  CF indeed becomes the actual host of the content, so I imagine (if it gets routed correctly) trust&safety will suspend the worker and/or the worker KV namespace until you contact support to counter.

CameronNemo 6y ago

Are any of these Tor friendly?

ComputerGuru 6y ago
They’re self-hosted, as in 127.0.0.1 or 192.168.x.y
npteljes 6y ago
I think the friendliest will be sourcehut, which is both FOSS and works without JS too.
LockAndLol 6y ago
Here's a guide for gitlab and i2p https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/git-bundle https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/git-bundle
driverdan 6y ago
You can send any traffic through Tor, so yes.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  For has a significant impact on latency, and use of JavaScript is often discouraged because it can be made to deanonymize users.