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What do you think should be done with the activists who erected a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' house in DC? Should they be put in jail for attempted murde

by imgabe 6y ago

What do you think should be done with the activists who erected a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' house in DC? Should they be put in jail for attempted murder? The only possible interpretation is that they literally intend to drag Bezos from his house and publicly behead him. How about Kathy Griffin, who posted a video of herself beheading Trump in effigy? She still has a Facebook account as far as I can tell.

AaronFriel 6y ago
Perhaps they should also be banned from Facebook.
awb 6y ago
US citizens have broad rights to public free speech. Corporations have broad rights to self-regulate their platforms. No one is saying Bannon broke the law. It's just interesting how Twitter and FB are making different decisions about the kind of platforms they want to have.
- imgabe 6y ago
  In your estimation, if Facebook doesn't censor this speech, then that makes them a certain "kind" of platform? It means that Facebook is pro-beheading? So how come if the US government doesn't censor it, it doesn't make the US a pro-beheading country? Empirically, compared to other countries the US manages to be pretty anti-beheading despite tolerating speech about beheading. Do you think that any failure to censor speech constitutes an endorsement of that speech? Is it not possible to allow speech you disagree with? Does Facebook the company have to endorse every opinion someone posts on it?
  - awb 6y ago
    I didn't attempt to answer any of those questions, but instead simply tried to illustrate that Bannon went beyond metaphor in his words. I don't like censorship and I don't like public speech that encourages violence. Unfortunately, those two stances are at odds sometimes and there are warnings from history on both sides.
nemothekid 6y ago
>What do you think should be done with the activists who erected a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' house in DC? Should they be put in jail for attempted murder? Are you equating being suspended off Twitter to being thrown in Jail? For the record, people commonly do get suspended for harassments for sending death threats to public figures. Unfortunately they aren't as high profile as bannon, so they don't get op-ed's written about them. >How about Kathy Griffin, who posted a video of herself beheading Trump in effigy? Why would you bring up Kathy Griffin when she got Twitter account suspended as well for that stunt? The answer to your question is "no I don't think Bannon should get better treatment then Kathy Griffin".
- imgabe 6y ago
  > Are you equating being suspended off Twitter to being thrown in Jail? For the record, people commonly do get suspended for harassments for sending death threats to public figures. My point here is that people on one end of the political spectrum are given the benefit of the doubt when they make statements like this that they are not meant to be taken literally. Meanwhile, people on the other end of the political spectrum are treated as though they actually intend to carry them out.
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    >My point here is that people on one end of the political spectrum are given the benefit of the doubt By your own example this isn’t true. Kathy was suspended from Twitter for what she did. Most targeted calls for violence lands you a suspension on Twitter. The reason you feel like one side is given the benefit of the doubt isn’t rooted in reality, at least on Twitter - it’s just far more likely for the other side of the political spectrum to whip up a media frenzy about free speech. And your point about one side being more likely to carry acts of violence out also seems ignorant of what’s happening today. There is only one political leaning that has resulted in people showing up armed to pizza places or trying to kidnap a governor. It’s difficult to understand why you bend over so hard to make excuses for Bannon, when the guy who he was “joking” about has had to literally hire bodyguards for much of the past year.
megablast 6y ago
They too should be kicked off Twitter.

by imgabe 6y ago

AaronFriel 6y ago

Perhaps they should also be banned from Facebook.

awb 6y ago

US citizens have broad rights to public free speech. Corporations have broad rights to self-regulate their platforms. No one is saying Bannon broke the law. It's just interesting how Twitter and FB are making different decisions about the kind of platforms they want to have.

imgabe 6y ago
In your estimation, if Facebook doesn't censor this speech, then that makes them a certain "kind" of platform? It means that Facebook is pro-beheading? So how come if the US government doesn't censor it, it doesn't make the US a pro-beheading country? Empirically, compared to other countries the US manages to be pretty anti-beheading despite tolerating speech about beheading. Do you think that any failure to censor speech constitutes an endorsement of that speech? Is it not possible to allow speech you disagree with? Does Facebook the company have to endorse every opinion someone posts on it?
- awb 6y ago
  I didn't attempt to answer any of those questions, but instead simply tried to illustrate that Bannon went beyond metaphor in his words. I don't like censorship and I don't like public speech that encourages violence. Unfortunately, those two stances are at odds sometimes and there are warnings from history on both sides.

nemothekid 6y ago

>What do you think should be done with the activists who erected a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' house in DC? Should they be put in jail for attempted murder? Are you equating being suspended off Twitter to being thrown in Jail? For the record, people commonly do get suspended for harassments for sending death threats to public figures. Unfortunately they aren't as high profile as bannon, so they don't get op-ed's written about them. >How about Kathy Griffin, who posted a video of herself beheading Trump in effigy? Why would you bring up Kathy Griffin when she got Twitter account suspended as well for that stunt? The answer to your question is "no I don't think Bannon should get better treatment then Kathy Griffin".

imgabe 6y ago
> Are you equating being suspended off Twitter to being thrown in Jail? For the record, people commonly do get suspended for harassments for sending death threats to public figures. My point here is that people on one end of the political spectrum are given the benefit of the doubt when they make statements like this that they are not meant to be taken literally. Meanwhile, people on the other end of the political spectrum are treated as though they actually intend to carry them out.
- nemothekid 6y ago
  >My point here is that people on one end of the political spectrum are given the benefit of the doubt By your own example this isn’t true. Kathy was suspended from Twitter for what she did. Most targeted calls for violence lands you a suspension on Twitter. The reason you feel like one side is given the benefit of the doubt isn’t rooted in reality, at least on Twitter - it’s just far more likely for the other side of the political spectrum to whip up a media frenzy about free speech. And your point about one side being more likely to carry acts of violence out also seems ignorant of what’s happening today. There is only one political leaning that has resulted in people showing up armed to pizza places or trying to kidnap a governor. It’s difficult to understand why you bend over so hard to make excuses for Bannon, when the guy who he was “joking” about has had to literally hire bodyguards for much of the past year.

megablast 6y ago

They too should be kicked off Twitter.