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Judge for yourself, everyone, whether this is a "call" for execution, etc: https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1324485819042705408 https://twitter.com/Fr

Judge for yourself, everyone, whether this is a "call" for execution, etc: https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1324485819042705408 https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/13244858190427054... > I actually want to go a step farther, but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England. I'd put the heads on pikes, I'd put them on the two corners of the White House, as a warning to Federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program, or you're gone.

awb 6y ago
If the conversation ended there, in it's most favorable light Bannon could be assumed to be using "heads on pikes" as a euphemism for "getting tough / serious". However, immediately after this quote, the other speaker and Bannon discuss historical political hangings and how the death penalty for treason is necessary during a civil war. And Bannon appears to double down in his own FB post: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 > Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack > - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Regardless of where you come down on the free speech side of calling for a public figure's execution, Bannon seems to concede that he meant what he said.
- mistermann 6y ago
  > And Bannon appears to double down in his own FB post: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 An alternative interpretation of his Facebook post is that he was quoting this: https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspended-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspend... >> "Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray" Considering Bannon claimed: "Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack", and the next line (...After Calling for Execution...) is identical to that used on populist.press, and he included a link to the site (which seems to be broken), this interpretation (that he is quoting populist.press, as opposed to doubling down) doesn't seem too far fetched to me. If, for the sake of argument (and I mean that very literally), he was actually quoting them (and therefore not doubling down), could Bannon, as you said, "...be assumed to be using "heads on pikes" as a euphemism for "getting tough / serious"? For more clarity on what actually occurred, here is the link to the full story, and the relevant text and quotes: https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-suspended-by-twitter-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-suspended-by-twitter-af... >> In the episode, posted Thursday morning, Bannon was discussing a hypothetical second Trump term. After advocating that among Trump’s first second term orders of business should be firing both Wray and Fauci, Bannon said, “I actually want to go a step farther but the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England. I’d put the heads on pikes, right? I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats, you either get with the program or you’re gone.” >> Shortly after, Steve Bannon and his co-host Jack Maxey offered some additional thoughts on the matter that certainly suggested they might actually be serious. >> “Just yesterday, there was the anniversary of the hanging of two Tories in Philadelphia,” Maxey said. “These were Quaker businessmen who had cohabitated, if you will, with the British while they were occupying Philadelphia. These people were hung. This is what we used to do to traitors.” >> “That’s how you won the revolution. No one wants to talk about it. The revolution wasn’t some sort of garden party, right? It was a civil war. It was a civil war,” Bannon replied.
  - awb 6y ago
    > An alternative interpretation of his Facebook post is that he was quoting this: https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspended-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspend... Regardless, he quoted it as a call to action for supporters to come to his defense, so it's reasonable to assume he felt it accurately captured the fact that he called for the execution of two public officials. I think it's less in doubt what he did and more in doubt what social media should do in response. Twitter took one approach and FB another.
    - isoskeles 6y ago
      He quoted it because his website (I assume) quotes headlines in full when linking to them.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      > Regardless, he quoted it as a call to action for supporters to come to his defense, so it's reasonable to assume he felt it accurately captured the fact that he called for the execution of two public officials. This is an interesting sentence, particularly the one word: fact. This word seems to have some sort of a strange quality to it - very mysterious, almost magical. It's a popular word, people use it all the time. And they seem to really enjoy using it, almost like it has a kind of...reverence to it, for them. But if you ever talk about how they use it (like, the context they are using it in, and various details related to that), everyone seems to start acting....weird. Like, the passion and interest that was just there 5 seconds ago, kind of vanishes into thin air. There one moment, gone the next. Kind of like cherry blossoms in the spring, or that first crush you have as a teenager (no Mom, it's love, you just don't get it!!!) - so fleeting. Oh well, it's probably nothing..."just my mind playing tricks on me!" lol
      - loopz 6y ago
        A fact check would diminish the statement as hypothetical. But the damage is already done when rabid gunslingers already ingested the idea that might makes right. These people are dangerous for stable democracy and fair chances for everybody.

awb 6y ago

If the conversation ended there, in it's most favorable light Bannon could be assumed to be using "heads on pikes" as a euphemism for "getting tough / serious". However, immediately after this quote, the other speaker and Bannon discuss historical political hangings and how the death penalty for treason is necessary during a civil war. And Bannon appears to double down in his own FB post: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 > Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack > - Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray Regardless of where you come down on the free speech side of calling for a public figure's execution, Bannon seems to concede that he meant what he said.

mistermann 6y ago
> And Bannon appears to double down in his own FB post: https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 https://www.facebook.com/SteveKBannon/posts/376710023761776 An alternative interpretation of his Facebook post is that he was quoting this: https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspended-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspend... >> "Steve Bannon’s Twitter Account Suspended After Calling for Execution of Dr Fauci and FBI Director Wray" Considering Bannon claimed: "Steve Bannon Under Massive Attack", and the next line (...After Calling for Execution...) is identical to that used on populist.press, and he included a link to the site (which seems to be broken), this interpretation (that he is quoting populist.press, as opposed to doubling down) doesn't seem too far fetched to me. If, for the sake of argument (and I mean that very literally), he was actually quoting them (and therefore not doubling down), could Bannon, as you said, "...be assumed to be using "heads on pikes" as a euphemism for "getting tough / serious"? For more clarity on what actually occurred, here is the link to the full story, and the relevant text and quotes: https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-suspended-by-twitter-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-suspended-by-twitter-af... >> In the episode, posted Thursday morning, Bannon was discussing a hypothetical second Trump term. After advocating that among Trump’s first second term orders of business should be firing both Wray and Fauci, Bannon said, “I actually want to go a step farther but the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I’d actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England. I’d put the heads on pikes, right? I’d put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats, you either get with the program or you’re gone.” >> Shortly after, Steve Bannon and his co-host Jack Maxey offered some additional thoughts on the matter that certainly suggested they might actually be serious. >> “Just yesterday, there was the anniversary of the hanging of two Tories in Philadelphia,” Maxey said. “These were Quaker businessmen who had cohabitated, if you will, with the British while they were occupying Philadelphia. These people were hung. This is what we used to do to traitors.” >> “That’s how you won the revolution. No one wants to talk about it. The revolution wasn’t some sort of garden party, right? It was a civil war. It was a civil war,” Bannon replied.
- awb 6y ago
  > An alternative interpretation of his Facebook post is that he was quoting this: https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspended-after-calling-for-execution-of-dr-fauci-and-fbi-director-wray/ https://populist.press/steve-bannons-twitter-account-suspend... Regardless, he quoted it as a call to action for supporters to come to his defense, so it's reasonable to assume he felt it accurately captured the fact that he called for the execution of two public officials. I think it's less in doubt what he did and more in doubt what social media should do in response. Twitter took one approach and FB another.
  - isoskeles 6y ago
    He quoted it because his website (I assume) quotes headlines in full when linking to them.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    > Regardless, he quoted it as a call to action for supporters to come to his defense, so it's reasonable to assume he felt it accurately captured the fact that he called for the execution of two public officials. This is an interesting sentence, particularly the one word: fact. This word seems to have some sort of a strange quality to it - very mysterious, almost magical. It's a popular word, people use it all the time. And they seem to really enjoy using it, almost like it has a kind of...reverence to it, for them. But if you ever talk about how they use it (like, the context they are using it in, and various details related to that), everyone seems to start acting....weird. Like, the passion and interest that was just there 5 seconds ago, kind of vanishes into thin air. There one moment, gone the next. Kind of like cherry blossoms in the spring, or that first crush you have as a teenager (no Mom, it's love, you just don't get it!!!) - so fleeting. Oh well, it's probably nothing..."just my mind playing tricks on me!" lol
    - loopz 6y ago
      A fact check would diminish the statement as hypothetical. But the damage is already done when rabid gunslingers already ingested the idea that might makes right. These people are dangerous for stable democracy and fair chances for everybody.