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If your boss says in a meeting "We need to get this done or heads are gonna roll" do you think he literally means he will cut off people's heads and bowl them d

by imgabe 6y ago

If your boss says in a meeting "We need to get this done or heads are gonna roll" do you think he literally means he will cut off people's heads and bowl them down the hallway of the office?

standardUser 6y ago
It would be inappropriate if the boss said "Susan Williams and Mark Goldwyn, if you don't get this done I'm going to cut your heads off and mount them on the main entrance as a warning to the other employees". Notice how my example has similarities to what Bannon actually said, and therefore sounds far more inappropriate. Let's also keep in mind that this hypothetical "boss" is probably not linked to various groups known for frequently making death threats and engaging in political violence.
- imgabe 6y ago
  Both are inappropriate, but even your example I would not take literally unless it were 1350 and my boss were a feudal lord.
  - ZeteticElench 6y ago
    Which is why Bannon says he would like to go back to those times.
    - imgabe 6y ago
      And as we all know time travel is a real thing and there is a real risk that he will send the world back in time 700 years.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > And as we all know time travel is a real thing Regress in social norms doesn't require actual time travel, and that happening through normalization of political violence is a real thing, which has happened lots of places, and which Bannon is overtly calling for here, pointing to the mere firing he expects from the President as inadequate. (Making it clear that the call was not a metaphor for firing.)
        ZeteticElench 6y ago
        Well said.
        imgabe 6y ago
        We have laws against violence, and we have a justice system and law enforcement to enforce the laws. If they believe there is a credible threat, they should investigate, that is their purpose. We can hold them accountable via voting and their actions should ideally be transparent to the public. If Bannon is part of a real, literal plot to place Fauci's head on a pike at the White House, that is the avenue through which it should be prosecuted, not via some intern at Facebook looking at a couple of posts and making a unilateral decision with no public accountability.
        true_religion 6y ago
        Bannon isn't making any threats. He is calling for the laws to be changed so he can legally execute people for thought crime, and not holding the party line. Essentially, he wants dictatorship. It's not illegal to promote dictatorship but it is gross, and he should be publicly shunned for it.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > We have laws against violence, and we have a justice system and law enforcement to enforce the laws. We do. That doesn't conflict with platforms having standards that prohibit advocacy of violence. > If they believe there is a credible threat, they should investigate, that is their purpose. It wasn't a threat, it was advocacy /incitement, which is a different thing. > We can hold them accountable via voting and their actions should ideally be transparent to the public. Their actions, by law, are not transparent to the public, and instead are subject to among the broadest exceptions of any public agencies (beyond defense/intelligence) to transparency laws. Not that your fantasies about law enforcement transparency, even if true, have any relevance to Bannon's incitement. > If Bannon is part of a real, literal plot to place Fauci's head on a pike at the White House, that is the avenue through which it should be prosecuted. A plot/conspiracy is a third thing, different from both a threat and incitement. And no one is talking about prosecution. Facebook isn't a public utility that is somehow obligated to relay and promote all speech equally without filtering with the only controls being after-the-fact actions by law enforcement. You are free to create a service with those terms of use and try to compete with Facebook, if you wish, but that's not what Facebook users have signed up for. And, while I've certainly seen examples of Facebook being overzealous in enforcing their “Community Standards”, this particular case doesn't come close to that.
dimator 6y ago
If my boss said "we need to finish this or I'm going to put heads on a pike, one on this corner of the office and one on that corner" I think there would be repercussions, but keep making your false equivalence.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> If your boss says in a meeting "We need to get this done or heads are gonna roll" That's, again, not analogous to what Bannon said. What Bannon said was, after having suggested that Trump’s second term would start with firing of Wray and Fauci, "Now I actually want to go a step farther, but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I'd put the heads on pikes, right, I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you're gone – time to stop playing games." He's not using heads on pikes as a metaphor for firing, because firing was the prediction of what the President as a “kind-hearted man” would do, while Bannon wanted more.
- imgabe 6y ago
  Then when Biden said he wants to take Trump behind the bleachers and knock him out, we should construe that as a threat of violence against the President,right? It can only mean that he really intends to physically assault Trump. People never, ever use hyperbole for effect and only speak 100% literally.
  - loopz 6y ago
    Citation please?
    - imgabe 6y ago
      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-s... I guess it was behind the gym, not the bleachers. Regardless, he had a specific location picked out and everything! Clearly a real threat.
      - loopz 6y ago
        Ok, let's pray presidents don't start beheading their political opponents then. Let's pray for sanity and rational discourse to prevail!

by imgabe 6y ago

If your boss says in a meeting "We need to get this done or heads are gonna roll" do you think he literally means he will cut off people's heads and bowl them down the hallway of the office?

standardUser 6y ago

It would be inappropriate if the boss said "Susan Williams and Mark Goldwyn, if you don't get this done I'm going to cut your heads off and mount them on the main entrance as a warning to the other employees". Notice how my example has similarities to what Bannon actually said, and therefore sounds far more inappropriate. Let's also keep in mind that this hypothetical "boss" is probably not linked to various groups known for frequently making death threats and engaging in political violence.

imgabe 6y ago
Both are inappropriate, but even your example I would not take literally unless it were 1350 and my boss were a feudal lord.
- ZeteticElench 6y ago
  Which is why Bannon says he would like to go back to those times.
  - imgabe 6y ago
    And as we all know time travel is a real thing and there is a real risk that he will send the world back in time 700 years.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > And as we all know time travel is a real thing Regress in social norms doesn't require actual time travel, and that happening through normalization of political violence is a real thing, which has happened lots of places, and which Bannon is overtly calling for here, pointing to the mere firing he expects from the President as inadequate. (Making it clear that the call was not a metaphor for firing.)
      - ZeteticElench 6y ago
        Well said.
      - imgabe 6y ago
        We have laws against violence, and we have a justice system and law enforcement to enforce the laws. If they believe there is a credible threat, they should investigate, that is their purpose. We can hold them accountable via voting and their actions should ideally be transparent to the public. If Bannon is part of a real, literal plot to place Fauci's head on a pike at the White House, that is the avenue through which it should be prosecuted, not via some intern at Facebook looking at a couple of posts and making a unilateral decision with no public accountability.
        true_religion 6y ago
        Bannon isn't making any threats. He is calling for the laws to be changed so he can legally execute people for thought crime, and not holding the party line. Essentially, he wants dictatorship. It's not illegal to promote dictatorship but it is gross, and he should be publicly shunned for it.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > We have laws against violence, and we have a justice system and law enforcement to enforce the laws. We do. That doesn't conflict with platforms having standards that prohibit advocacy of violence. > If they believe there is a credible threat, they should investigate, that is their purpose. It wasn't a threat, it was advocacy /incitement, which is a different thing. > We can hold them accountable via voting and their actions should ideally be transparent to the public. Their actions, by law, are not transparent to the public, and instead are subject to among the broadest exceptions of any public agencies (beyond defense/intelligence) to transparency laws. Not that your fantasies about law enforcement transparency, even if true, have any relevance to Bannon's incitement. > If Bannon is part of a real, literal plot to place Fauci's head on a pike at the White House, that is the avenue through which it should be prosecuted. A plot/conspiracy is a third thing, different from both a threat and incitement. And no one is talking about prosecution. Facebook isn't a public utility that is somehow obligated to relay and promote all speech equally without filtering with the only controls being after-the-fact actions by law enforcement. You are free to create a service with those terms of use and try to compete with Facebook, if you wish, but that's not what Facebook users have signed up for. And, while I've certainly seen examples of Facebook being overzealous in enforcing their “Community Standards”, this particular case doesn't come close to that.

dimator 6y ago

If my boss said "we need to finish this or I'm going to put heads on a pike, one on this corner of the office and one on that corner" I think there would be repercussions, but keep making your false equivalence.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> If your boss says in a meeting "We need to get this done or heads are gonna roll" That's, again, not analogous to what Bannon said. What Bannon said was, after having suggested that Trump’s second term would start with firing of Wray and Fauci, "Now I actually want to go a step farther, but I realize the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I'd actually like to go back to the old times of Tudor England, I'd put the heads on pikes, right, I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you're gone – time to stop playing games." He's not using heads on pikes as a metaphor for firing, because firing was the prediction of what the President as a “kind-hearted man” would do, while Bannon wanted more.

imgabe 6y ago
Then when Biden said he wants to take Trump behind the bleachers and knock him out, we should construe that as a threat of violence against the President,right? It can only mean that he really intends to physically assault Trump. People never, ever use hyperbole for effect and only speak 100% literally.
- loopz 6y ago
  Citation please?
  - imgabe 6y ago
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-school-disrespecting-women/story?id=53897309 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-beat-hell-trump-high-s... I guess it was behind the gym, not the bleachers. Regardless, he had a specific location picked out and everything! Clearly a real threat.
    - loopz 6y ago
      Ok, let's pray presidents don't start beheading their political opponents then. Let's pray for sanity and rational discourse to prevail!