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So what do we do about folks who chanted "fry 'em like bacon", and "death to America" in the streets just a few weeks ago? Any punitive measures there, or nah?

by m0zg 6y ago

nemothekid 6y ago
Any punitive measures there, or nah? I can't speak to Facebook, because I don't use Facebook, but Twitter will apply punitive measures if you incite violence for a specific person on the platform. You are making a case for whataboutism that doesn't exist.
- m0zg 6y ago
  Such as this: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 ?
  - nemothekid 6y ago
    Is the nytimes calling for Stephen miller’s head on a pike here? Do you truly believe that? Or is this a bad faith example? Do you think I’m also arguing Twitter should also remove all tweets that reference what Bannon has said?
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Bannon isn't calling for their literal decapitation either. "Head on a pike" is an euphemism for getting fired. Another way to say this is "heads should roll" which also does not mean decapitation. Also, when someone "eviscerates" someone, that doesn't mean literal disembowelment, just so we're clear. Nor does "raking over coals" or "drawing and quartering" mean literal torture. But people here just pretend to be obtuse and feign outrage instead. Zuck chooses not to do that because he's an adult. Kudos to Zuck.
      - nemothekid 6y ago
        The next thing Bannon said he would like to return to Tudor England. Was “head on a pike” a euphemism in 14th century British politics? Then Jack goes into a quip about how people used to hang traitors. Did you not hear the rest of the conversation? You are bending so far incredibly backwards for a guy with an incredibly poor moral compass that’s slinging death threats at a public servant who already has to hire body guards.
        m0zg 6y ago
        I'm not the one bending backwards here, bud.
triceratops 6y ago
Like you said, they said those reprehensible words in the streets, where the First Amendment applies. If they do it on your property, you're free to kick them out.
- m0zg 6y ago
  This is a strawman and you know it. There's plenty of such rhetoric on Twitter and Facebook. What's different is the group of people against which it is targeted.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > This is a strawman Is it? Are you sure you know what a strawman is? I'm literally using your own words. You didn't say anything about people inciting violence on TwitFace in your comment. If I ran those companies, I'd ban anyone inciting violence. But it's their platform. They can choose who to ban and who to keep. And we can choose to criticize them. In that way, everyone's freedoms are preserved.
jacobolus 6y ago
> folks who chanted "fry 'em like bacon" [...] in the streets just a few weeks ago? This did not happen.
- m0zg 6y ago
  I'm at a loss of words. The size of balls it takes to say what you just said will affect the gravitational balance of the planet. Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJmkws1Q40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJmkws1Q40 Also, here's NYT: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 Is this OK or nah?
  - jacobolus 6y ago
    None of your links are from “a few weeks ago”. There was one non-BLM-affiliated protest in Minnesota in 2015 where this was chanted for a few minutes. It was roundly criticized, and the people involved clarified that they did not want to have anyone killed, but just wanted police to receive the same punishment for murder as anyone else. Clearly the chant itself was stupidly inflammatory, however angry the protestors might have been, and it does not accurately reflect anyone’s serious beliefs, which is why it has not been repeated or endorsed by other protestors. cf. e.g. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-checking-trump-s-references-to-the-anti-police-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-fry-em-like-bacon/ar-BB16gz4E https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-checking-trump-s-refe... The way Trump and others have described this is essentially a lie. * * * I am flattered that my balls have impressed you.
    - m0zg 6y ago
      > I am flattered that my balls have impressed you. Could be a tumah, have them checked out.
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jeffbee 6y ago
Are they senior advisors to the president of the united states, or nah?

So what do we do about folks who chanted "fry 'em like bacon", and "death to America" in the streets just a few weeks ago? Any punitive measures there, or nah?

by m0zg 6y ago

So what do we do about folks who chanted "fry 'em like bacon", and "death to America" in the streets just a few weeks ago? Any punitive measures there, or nah?

nemothekid 6y ago

Any punitive measures there, or nah? I can't speak to Facebook, because I don't use Facebook, but Twitter will apply punitive measures if you incite violence for a specific person on the platform. You are making a case for whataboutism that doesn't exist.

m0zg 6y ago
Such as this: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 ?
- nemothekid 6y ago
  Is the nytimes calling for Stephen miller’s head on a pike here? Do you truly believe that? Or is this a bad faith example? Do you think I’m also arguing Twitter should also remove all tweets that reference what Bannon has said?
  - m0zg 6y ago
    Bannon isn't calling for their literal decapitation either. "Head on a pike" is an euphemism for getting fired. Another way to say this is "heads should roll" which also does not mean decapitation. Also, when someone "eviscerates" someone, that doesn't mean literal disembowelment, just so we're clear. Nor does "raking over coals" or "drawing and quartering" mean literal torture. But people here just pretend to be obtuse and feign outrage instead. Zuck chooses not to do that because he's an adult. Kudos to Zuck.
    - nemothekid 6y ago
      The next thing Bannon said he would like to return to Tudor England. Was “head on a pike” a euphemism in 14th century British politics? Then Jack goes into a quip about how people used to hang traitors. Did you not hear the rest of the conversation? You are bending so far incredibly backwards for a guy with an incredibly poor moral compass that’s slinging death threats at a public servant who already has to hire body guards.
      - m0zg 6y ago
        I'm not the one bending backwards here, bud.

triceratops 6y ago

Like you said, they said those reprehensible words in the streets, where the First Amendment applies. If they do it on your property, you're free to kick them out.

m0zg 6y ago
This is a strawman and you know it. There's plenty of such rhetoric on Twitter and Facebook. What's different is the group of people against which it is targeted.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > This is a strawman Is it? Are you sure you know what a strawman is? I'm literally using your own words. You didn't say anything about people inciting violence on TwitFace in your comment. If I ran those companies, I'd ban anyone inciting violence. But it's their platform. They can choose who to ban and who to keep. And we can choose to criticize them. In that way, everyone's freedoms are preserved.

jacobolus 6y ago

> folks who chanted "fry 'em like bacon" [...] in the streets just a few weeks ago? This did not happen.

m0zg 6y ago
I'm at a loss of words. The size of balls it takes to say what you just said will affect the gravitational balance of the planet. Evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJmkws1Q40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJmkws1Q40 Also, here's NYT: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/831483401467265024 Is this OK or nah?
- jacobolus 6y ago
  None of your links are from “a few weeks ago”. There was one non-BLM-affiliated protest in Minnesota in 2015 where this was chanted for a few minutes. It was roundly criticized, and the people involved clarified that they did not want to have anyone killed, but just wanted police to receive the same punishment for murder as anyone else. Clearly the chant itself was stupidly inflammatory, however angry the protestors might have been, and it does not accurately reflect anyone’s serious beliefs, which is why it has not been repeated or endorsed by other protestors. cf. e.g. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-checking-trump-s-references-to-the-anti-police-chant-pigs-in-a-blanket-fry-em-like-bacon/ar-BB16gz4E https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-checking-trump-s-refe... The way Trump and others have described this is essentially a lie. * * * I am flattered that my balls have impressed you.
  - m0zg 6y ago
    > I am flattered that my balls have impressed you. Could be a tumah, have them checked out.
- deleted 6y ago
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jeffbee 6y ago

Are they senior advisors to the president of the united states, or nah?