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the issue is lockdown cause damage that is greater than the virus >with 100 million people in a tiny country and a grand total of 37 deaths so far this year)

• tsimionescu 6y ago
  You should look at how the lockdowns worked in Vietnam. They essentially had a very strict lockdown for 3 weeks in March I think, and then they have only had targeted quarantines. The vast majority of the country is working normally, much more so than anywhere in Europe or the Americas. Similar measures could have been taken everywhere else, and we would have been long over this, and with minimal deaths. Instead, we are where we are. We still have the option of doing a 3 week heavy lockdown that could probably reset the clock on the virus, with direct government payments for every person affected to reduce the economic hardship. There is no better known solution to this problem, until the vaccine proves to be efficient.
  • matz1 6y ago
    Look at Sweeden, they didn't lockdown, life pretty much normal over there. Sure the number of case is "high" but vast of the majority of covid case are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. Taiwan also don't have lockdown. Peru on the other hand had early and strict lockdown and now they have high death and still in lockdown. The better solution for the usa is to open up right now.
    • tsimionescu 6y ago
      Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns. The only reason they're not also doing very bad in terms of deaths is that people have chosen to isolate, but this is exactly why they're doing bad economically. Taiwan was one of the first countries to react to Covid, so they stopped it extremely early from getting into the country to any great extent. They also have extremely high mask usage, even having to ration ration them because of the rate at which they were getting bought. They even had public outcry when an official said mask use was NOT necessary in certain areas - the exact opposite of mask use in the US and Europe. In Peru, it seems by the descriptions I see on Wikipedia that the lockdowns weren't very well policed, and they were also not that strict - most of the early lockdowns seem to be of the 'no going out at night' kind, which has dubious effectiveness. I also see little talk of contact tracing in the area. The USA is by far the worse hit country in the world. How you can even think about opening up, given the hundreds of thousands of people it would likely kill over the next 3 months, is beyond me.
      • matz1 6y ago
        >Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns Yes worse than before pandemic thats because other doing countries lockdown but life pretty much still normal there. Business open as usual, kids go to school in person as usual, bar open as usual. I would happily choose to live there if I can choose. USA is not bad at all, number of case is high but most of it are asymptomatic or only have mild symptom. What bad is the government reaction in some state that put so many covid related restriction. how are u thinking of locking people is beyond me, it makes people suffer, its harmful. Death from car accident can be reduced by banning car altogether but we did didn't ban car because banning is more harmful.
        • tsimionescu 6y ago
          > USA is not bad at all, number of case is high but most of it are asymptomatic or only have mild symptom. What bad is the government reaction in some state that put so many covid related restriction. how are u thinking of locking people is beyond me, it makes people suffer, its harmful. The USA has the highest number of deaths from Covid of any country on Earth, by far. One of the worse numbers per capita as well. To put it in perspective, in 2018 435,000 people died of Malaria around the world; the US alone has lost 225,000 people to Covid - more than half of that. Also, you have to understand that the restrictions are the only things that have kept the numbers so small. Everything we've seen from regions that didn't take measures to curb the spread shows that numbers could easily be 2-5 times the current numbers. How you can look at those numbers and think "yeah, but wearing a mask is, like, annoying" is beyond reason. And please remember that cars have a huge upside, and that they are heavily regulated exactly to reduce the number of deaths. You need to pass an exam just to get in the driver's seat of a car. You have to pass all sorts of expensive tests to even put a car you built on the road. You're not allowed to drink before driving. You have to wear an uncomfortable harness the whole time you're inside a car etc. - there are many restrictions that we accept to make driving safer. Similarly for Covid, there were all sorts of annoying restrictions to keep people at least somewhat safe. The equivalent of banning all cars would have been that everyone except doctors, emergency personnel and the military can't leave their house for 2-3 weeks, and the pandemic would have been over. But just like we can't ban cars altogether, it's not realistic to do that, so we had to accept lesser measures that offer lesser protection. But from there to "any kind of lockdown is, like, really bad" you have quite some way to go.