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Because Windows is so much better?

by dwaltrip 6y ago

loeg 6y ago
It doesn't have this particular failure mode, at least.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Both Linux and Windows perform similar checks.
  - loeg 6y ago
    I'm sure Linux (the kernel) does not. I don't know of any Linux distro that does, but, I'd be curious if you can point to specifics. If you could point to any documentation of Windows performing app-start OCSP checks, I'd love to learn more (and recant my earlier statement).
  - vcxy 6y ago
    I assure you my Linux machines do not.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    That's a rather extraordinary claim. It's really setting off my BS meter- Can you show us where the code is to do that in the Linux kernel?
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Do you know of a Wireshark filter that will reveal this on Ubuntu? What you're saying doesn't sound credible, but to incentivize, here's the bet: If you can provide a Wireshark filter that will show a certificate check on a vanilla Ubuntu 20.04 system when the following commands are executed in a bash shell, then I will donate $25 to a charity of your choice. Commands follow: cat <<HEREDOC >/tmp/file.c #include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("Hello World"); return 0; } HEREDOC gcc /tmp/file.c -o /tmp/app /tmp/app
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    No, Linux does not. Linux does provide application-level and per-application security, as well as sandboxes, but they exist to help the user and the user has complete control over them and their system.
  - stevenhuang 6y ago
    The comment you are replying to states other OS' do not have this failure mode so your response is quite the non-sequitur, nevermind of questionable veracity (linux).
KingMachiavelli 6y ago
Linux? At least then it's your fault when it breaks.
alpaca128 6y ago
Users should not put up with this kind of thing, no matter what OS. Forced updates, online startup checks...all unacceptable in my opinion. Imagine no car or train in the region starting because of a server outage. People would riot on the streets. But for some reason in the IT world this kind of crap is marketed as a feature.
- dwaltrip 6y ago
  I agree! I would love that. However... Where can I buy a computer free of all of those issues?

Because Windows is so much better?

loeg 6y ago

It doesn't have this particular failure mode, at least.

valuearb 6y ago
Both Linux and Windows perform similar checks.
- loeg 6y ago
  I'm sure Linux (the kernel) does not. I don't know of any Linux distro that does, but, I'd be curious if you can point to specifics. If you could point to any documentation of Windows performing app-start OCSP checks, I'd love to learn more (and recant my earlier statement).
- vcxy 6y ago
  I assure you my Linux machines do not.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  That's a rather extraordinary claim. It's really setting off my BS meter- Can you show us where the code is to do that in the Linux kernel?
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Do you know of a Wireshark filter that will reveal this on Ubuntu? What you're saying doesn't sound credible, but to incentivize, here's the bet: If you can provide a Wireshark filter that will show a certificate check on a vanilla Ubuntu 20.04 system when the following commands are executed in a bash shell, then I will donate $25 to a charity of your choice. Commands follow: cat <<HEREDOC >/tmp/file.c #include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("Hello World"); return 0; } HEREDOC gcc /tmp/file.c -o /tmp/app /tmp/app
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  No, Linux does not. Linux does provide application-level and per-application security, as well as sandboxes, but they exist to help the user and the user has complete control over them and their system.
- stevenhuang 6y ago
  The comment you are replying to states other OS' do not have this failure mode so your response is quite the non-sequitur, nevermind of questionable veracity (linux).

KingMachiavelli 6y ago

Linux? At least then it's your fault when it breaks.

alpaca128 6y ago

Users should not put up with this kind of thing, no matter what OS. Forced updates, online startup checks...all unacceptable in my opinion. Imagine no car or train in the region starting because of a server outage. People would riot on the streets. But for some reason in the IT world this kind of crap is marketed as a feature.

dwaltrip 6y ago
I agree! I would love that. However... Where can I buy a computer free of all of those issues?