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I love vim for quickly looking at files, but when it comes to working in a large codebase, I like to have a lot of information visible at once, such as having a

by Osiris 6y ago

I love vim for quickly looking at files, but when it comes to working in a large codebase, I like to have a lot of information visible at once, such as having a Find panel with results, multiple files open in multiple panes, a file list, list of currently changed files, etc. Oh, and I use proportional fonts so VIM is out.

Jtsummers 6y ago
Aside from the last sentence, I do all of those things with a combination of emacs + tmux. My workflow would easily be translated to vim. I split my screen into multiple windows each with multiple panes. Then use things like fswatch to trigger automatic execution of various things like the test runner and the build system.
- Osiris 6y ago
  What can I say, I use the mouse a lot. Despite using i3 I still rarely use shortcut keys to change focus. Then again, I shouldn't be apologetic for being a mouse user. It's just another tool. I find moving around tmux panes kind of annoying and scrolling them even more annoying, but that's probably more of a lack of comfortability with it than anything else.
  - soraminazuki 6y ago
    You need a set -g mouse on in your ~/.tmux.conf file.
7786655 6y ago
You can have multiple files open in multiple panes in Vim. It even has a built in terminal emulator, which removes most of the reasons to use tmux.
- Osiris 6y ago
  Maybe discoverability is the problem. GUI IDEs make discoverability really easy with lots of menus, settings, modals, etc. which lowers the barriers to entry and learning curve.
soraminazuki 6y ago
> having a Find panel with results That feature is built into Vim with quickfix commands. > multiple files open in multiple panes That's also built-in. > a file list There's at least two built-in features that provides this, netrw and quickfix. > list of currently changed files That's also built-in? It's like the most basic of features. > I use proportional fonts so VIM is out You can use a terminal that supports it, or perhaps some NeoVim UI.
- Osiris 6y ago
  all at the same time? If out of the box VIM does all that I've certainly never found out how to do it. Regardless, I have no plans to switch because I can't see it improving my productivity enough to justify the learning curve.
  - soraminazuki 6y ago
    I'm not trying to convince you to switch at all. Choice of editors is just a matter of personal preference. I'm just pointing out that all the features you've listed as lacking in Vim are built-in, widely used, and documented. And of course, these features can be used at the same time, there's nothing preventing you from doing so.
    - Osiris 6y ago
      I didn't realize that git support (changed files/diffs) was built-in. I'll have to research that.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - soraminazuki 6y ago
        Git support, as opposed to getting a list of unsaved files, would be better served by installing vim-fugitive.

by Osiris 6y ago

Jtsummers 6y ago

Aside from the last sentence, I do all of those things with a combination of emacs + tmux. My workflow would easily be translated to vim. I split my screen into multiple windows each with multiple panes. Then use things like fswatch to trigger automatic execution of various things like the test runner and the build system.

Osiris 6y ago
What can I say, I use the mouse a lot. Despite using i3 I still rarely use shortcut keys to change focus. Then again, I shouldn't be apologetic for being a mouse user. It's just another tool. I find moving around tmux panes kind of annoying and scrolling them even more annoying, but that's probably more of a lack of comfortability with it than anything else.
- soraminazuki 6y ago
  You need a set -g mouse on in your ~/.tmux.conf file.

7786655 6y ago

You can have multiple files open in multiple panes in Vim. It even has a built in terminal emulator, which removes most of the reasons to use tmux.

Osiris 6y ago
Maybe discoverability is the problem. GUI IDEs make discoverability really easy with lots of menus, settings, modals, etc. which lowers the barriers to entry and learning curve.

soraminazuki 6y ago

> having a Find panel with results That feature is built into Vim with quickfix commands. > multiple files open in multiple panes That's also built-in. > a file list There's at least two built-in features that provides this, netrw and quickfix. > list of currently changed files That's also built-in? It's like the most basic of features. > I use proportional fonts so VIM is out You can use a terminal that supports it, or perhaps some NeoVim UI.

Osiris 6y ago
all at the same time? If out of the box VIM does all that I've certainly never found out how to do it. Regardless, I have no plans to switch because I can't see it improving my productivity enough to justify the learning curve.
- soraminazuki 6y ago
  I'm not trying to convince you to switch at all. Choice of editors is just a matter of personal preference. I'm just pointing out that all the features you've listed as lacking in Vim are built-in, widely used, and documented. And of course, these features can be used at the same time, there's nothing preventing you from doing so.
  - Osiris 6y ago
    I didn't realize that git support (changed files/diffs) was built-in. I'll have to research that.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - soraminazuki 6y ago
      Git support, as opposed to getting a list of unsaved files, would be better served by installing vim-fugitive.