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Maybe they're just not worried about it anymore, much as we never worried at this level about the flu, common cold, or really anything else? > How did they exp

Maybe they're just not worried about it anymore, much as we never worried at this level about the flu, common cold, or really anything else? > How did they expect that this was going to turn out? Maybe exactly like it is, and maybe it's not a real problem? There's no nuance in a graph that simply shows "infections" - there's no discussion of it being relative to the number of tests, no error bars for false positives/negatives, nothing to show how severe it is.

oblio 6y ago
I can't believe that people are still parroting the "common flu, common cold" talking points from 6-8 months ago. Covid has a much higher mortality rate.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  > Covid has a much higher mortality rate. Only if you're high-risk. If you're not, its mortality rate is much lower than the flu. The problem that most people have with the lockdowns is that we know who's high-risk and who's not, but we lock everyone down anyway.
  - oblio 6y ago
    Do you have the numbers for the "not high risk" category? Also, what about the high risk people? Do we just throw them under the bus? Also, what about spreading a new virus to billions of hosts and praying for no mutations?
    - p49k 6y ago
      Not to mention the unknown long-term effects of having it, even asymptotically.
      - sharken 6y ago
        Fear or concern for the unknown can be a good thing, there just isn’t any studies saying conclusively that a large number of people are seriously affected. What are the long-term effects of not being able to have a normal life due to restrictions ?
    - josephcsible 6y ago
      > Do you have the numbers for the "not high risk" category? If I'm looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... right, out of 15,230 coronavirus deaths in New York, 14,540 of them were people over 65 or confirmed to have underlying conditions, and only 92 of them were people under 65 and confirmed not to have underlying conditions. About 15% of their population is over 65. I'm not sure what the population base rate is for underlying conditions, though. > Also, what about the high risk people? Do we just throw them under the bus? No. We quarantine just them to keep them safe, and give them all free grocery delivery, etc. too. > Also, what about spreading a new virus to billions of hosts and praying for no mutations? I agree that's bad. I'm just saying that a lockdown that looks like it's going to last over a year is worse.
      - oblio 6y ago
        I want the numbers for the flu. You claimed that the flu is worse for non high risk individuals.
        sharken 6y ago
        Below are data for the flu in the US for 2017-18 vs. the Corona virus in 2020. Out of 120.000 deaths in both data sets, in the age group 0-4 years there were 115 deaths to flu vs. 9 to Corona for the age group 0-17. Flu 2017-18 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm Corona 2020 (up to May) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...
        oblio 6y ago
        A few comments: 1. Based on your flu data, those deaths are for 11 million symptomatic flu cases, vs maybe 1 million Covid-19 cases in May. And that doesn't include asymptomatic flu cases (less often but still happen). 2. The numbers you're showing for Covid-19 deaths are just for NY. The flu ones were at US level. We'll have to wait and see but I don't see why the flu would be deadlier than Covid-19, for any age group.
- core-questions 6y ago
  What if I have made the personal moral choice, after extreme introspection over months, to believe that the risk equation is better served by mostly trying to continue normal economic life, albeit modified for better hygiene, instead of huddling in my basement until the heat death of the universe? Yes, some people are going to die. Yes, they could be people I know and love. It is what it is - I'll accept that risk before I accept the greater risk of watching a free society decay into totalitarian liberalism.

oblio 6y ago

I can't believe that people are still parroting the "common flu, common cold" talking points from 6-8 months ago. Covid has a much higher mortality rate.

josephcsible 6y ago
> Covid has a much higher mortality rate. Only if you're high-risk. If you're not, its mortality rate is much lower than the flu. The problem that most people have with the lockdowns is that we know who's high-risk and who's not, but we lock everyone down anyway.
- oblio 6y ago
  Do you have the numbers for the "not high risk" category? Also, what about the high risk people? Do we just throw them under the bus? Also, what about spreading a new virus to billions of hosts and praying for no mutations?
  - p49k 6y ago
    Not to mention the unknown long-term effects of having it, even asymptotically.
    - sharken 6y ago
      Fear or concern for the unknown can be a good thing, there just isn’t any studies saying conclusively that a large number of people are seriously affected. What are the long-term effects of not being able to have a normal life due to restrictions ?
  - josephcsible 6y ago
    > Do you have the numbers for the "not high risk" category? If I'm looking at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... right, out of 15,230 coronavirus deaths in New York, 14,540 of them were people over 65 or confirmed to have underlying conditions, and only 92 of them were people under 65 and confirmed not to have underlying conditions. About 15% of their population is over 65. I'm not sure what the population base rate is for underlying conditions, though. > Also, what about the high risk people? Do we just throw them under the bus? No. We quarantine just them to keep them safe, and give them all free grocery delivery, etc. too. > Also, what about spreading a new virus to billions of hosts and praying for no mutations? I agree that's bad. I'm just saying that a lockdown that looks like it's going to last over a year is worse.
    - oblio 6y ago
      I want the numbers for the flu. You claimed that the flu is worse for non high risk individuals.
      - sharken 6y ago
        Below are data for the flu in the US for 2017-18 vs. the Corona virus in 2020. Out of 120.000 deaths in both data sets, in the age group 0-4 years there were 115 deaths to flu vs. 9 to Corona for the age group 0-17. Flu 2017-18 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm Corona 2020 (up to May) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...
        oblio 6y ago
        A few comments: 1. Based on your flu data, those deaths are for 11 million symptomatic flu cases, vs maybe 1 million Covid-19 cases in May. And that doesn't include asymptomatic flu cases (less often but still happen). 2. The numbers you're showing for Covid-19 deaths are just for NY. The flu ones were at US level. We'll have to wait and see but I don't see why the flu would be deadlier than Covid-19, for any age group.
core-questions 6y ago
What if I have made the personal moral choice, after extreme introspection over months, to believe that the risk equation is better served by mostly trying to continue normal economic life, albeit modified for better hygiene, instead of huddling in my basement until the heat death of the universe? Yes, some people are going to die. Yes, they could be people I know and love. It is what it is - I'll accept that risk before I accept the greater risk of watching a free society decay into totalitarian liberalism.