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that number is 1.1 million number is including death with covid not just due to covid. so using your number its around 0.01% of the world population. I'm not s

by matz1 6y ago

that number is 1.1 million number is including death with covid not just due to covid. so using your number its around 0.01% of the world population. I'm not saying its not worth to do something about it but if your answer of 'to do something about it' is by lockdown then I can't support it.

tsimionescu 6y ago
> including death with covid not just due to covid That's true for any of the other diseases you care to look at, so it's irrelevant when comparing diseases. > I'm not saying its not worth to do something about it but if your answer of 'to do something about it' is by lockdown then I can't support it. If we had had proper early lockdowns, we wouldn't even have known how bad this disease is (just look at Vietnam, with 100 million people in a tiny country and a grand total of 37 deaths so far this year). Since no other measures are shown to work, especially with all of the cretins not wearing masks, I'm not sure how else we could prevent this number from doubling or tripling, as hospitals get overwhelmed and fatigued.
- matz1 6y ago
  the issue is lockdown cause damage that is greater than the virus >with 100 million people in a tiny country and a grand total of 37 deaths so far this year) Sure but what is the damage due to lockdown ? You too can reduce death from vehicle accident by banning vehicle altogether but then the damage caused by banning vehicle would be greater. >Since no other measures are shown to work If there really are no other measure that won't make situation worse then not doing anything is better.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    You should look at how the lockdowns worked in Vietnam. They essentially had a very strict lockdown for 3 weeks in March I think, and then they have only had targeted quarantines. The vast majority of the country is working normally, much more so than anywhere in Europe or the Americas. Similar measures could have been taken everywhere else, and we would have been long over this, and with minimal deaths. Instead, we are where we are. We still have the option of doing a 3 week heavy lockdown that could probably reset the clock on the virus, with direct government payments for every person affected to reduce the economic hardship. There is no better known solution to this problem, until the vaccine proves to be efficient.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Look at Sweeden, they didn't lockdown, life pretty much normal over there. Sure the number of case is "high" but vast of the majority of covid case are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. Taiwan also don't have lockdown. Peru on the other hand had early and strict lockdown and now they have high death and still in lockdown. The better solution for the usa is to open up right now.
      - tsimionescu 6y ago
        Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns. The only reason they're not also doing very bad in terms of deaths is that people have chosen to isolate, but this is exactly why they're doing bad economically. Taiwan was one of the first countries to react to Covid, so they stopped it extremely early from getting into the country to any great extent. They also have extremely high mask usage, even having to ration ration them because of the rate at which they were getting bought. They even had public outcry when an official said mask use was NOT necessary in certain areas - the exact opposite of mask use in the US and Europe. In Peru, it seems by the descriptions I see on Wikipedia that the lockdowns weren't very well policed, and they were also not that strict - most of the early lockdowns seem to be of the 'no going out at night' kind, which has dubious effectiveness. I also see little talk of contact tracing in the area. The USA is by far the worse hit country in the world. How you can even think about opening up, given the hundreds of thousands of people it would likely kill over the next 3 months, is beyond me.
        matz1 6y ago
        >Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns Yes worse than before pandemic thats because other doing countries lockdown but life pretty much still normal there. Business open as usual, kids go to school in person as usual, bar open as usual. I would happily choose to live there if I can choose. USA is not bad at all, number of case is high but most of it are asymptomatic or only have mild symptom. What bad is the government reaction in some state that put so many covid related restriction. how are u thinking of locking people is beyond me, it makes people suffer, its harmful. Death from car accident can be reduced by banning car altogether but we did didn't ban car because banning is more harmful.

by matz1 6y ago

tsimionescu 6y ago

> including death with covid not just due to covid That's true for any of the other diseases you care to look at, so it's irrelevant when comparing diseases. > I'm not saying its not worth to do something about it but if your answer of 'to do something about it' is by lockdown then I can't support it. If we had had proper early lockdowns, we wouldn't even have known how bad this disease is (just look at Vietnam, with 100 million people in a tiny country and a grand total of 37 deaths so far this year). Since no other measures are shown to work, especially with all of the cretins not wearing masks, I'm not sure how else we could prevent this number from doubling or tripling, as hospitals get overwhelmed and fatigued.

matz1 6y ago
the issue is lockdown cause damage that is greater than the virus >with 100 million people in a tiny country and a grand total of 37 deaths so far this year) Sure but what is the damage due to lockdown ? You too can reduce death from vehicle accident by banning vehicle altogether but then the damage caused by banning vehicle would be greater. >Since no other measures are shown to work If there really are no other measure that won't make situation worse then not doing anything is better.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  You should look at how the lockdowns worked in Vietnam. They essentially had a very strict lockdown for 3 weeks in March I think, and then they have only had targeted quarantines. The vast majority of the country is working normally, much more so than anywhere in Europe or the Americas. Similar measures could have been taken everywhere else, and we would have been long over this, and with minimal deaths. Instead, we are where we are. We still have the option of doing a 3 week heavy lockdown that could probably reset the clock on the virus, with direct government payments for every person affected to reduce the economic hardship. There is no better known solution to this problem, until the vaccine proves to be efficient.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Look at Sweeden, they didn't lockdown, life pretty much normal over there. Sure the number of case is "high" but vast of the majority of covid case are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms. Taiwan also don't have lockdown. Peru on the other hand had early and strict lockdown and now they have high death and still in lockdown. The better solution for the usa is to open up right now.
    - tsimionescu 6y ago
      Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns. The only reason they're not also doing very bad in terms of deaths is that people have chosen to isolate, but this is exactly why they're doing bad economically. Taiwan was one of the first countries to react to Covid, so they stopped it extremely early from getting into the country to any great extent. They also have extremely high mask usage, even having to ration ration them because of the rate at which they were getting bought. They even had public outcry when an official said mask use was NOT necessary in certain areas - the exact opposite of mask use in the US and Europe. In Peru, it seems by the descriptions I see on Wikipedia that the lockdowns weren't very well policed, and they were also not that strict - most of the early lockdowns seem to be of the 'no going out at night' kind, which has dubious effectiveness. I also see little talk of contact tracing in the area. The USA is by far the worse hit country in the world. How you can even think about opening up, given the hundreds of thousands of people it would likely kill over the next 3 months, is beyond me.
      - matz1 6y ago
        >Sweden is doing worse economically than any other Nordic country, which all had bigger lockdowns Yes worse than before pandemic thats because other doing countries lockdown but life pretty much still normal there. Business open as usual, kids go to school in person as usual, bar open as usual. I would happily choose to live there if I can choose. USA is not bad at all, number of case is high but most of it are asymptomatic or only have mild symptom. What bad is the government reaction in some state that put so many covid related restriction. how are u thinking of locking people is beyond me, it makes people suffer, its harmful. Death from car accident can be reduced by banning car altogether but we did didn't ban car because banning is more harmful.