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Do we not consider this a solved problem? The idea of dying of an illness is not a new one. I don't see why we need to reinvent the wheel. Presumably the folks

by rconti 6y ago

Do we not consider this a solved problem? The idea of dying of an illness is not a new one. I don't see why we need to reinvent the wheel. Presumably the folks who tabulate deaths already know how to do this; I don't see why we've suddenly decided to take a microscope to the stats.

josephcsible 6y ago
> I don't see why we've suddenly decided to take a microscope to the stats. Because this is the first time that these sorts of stats have been used to curtail everyone's freedom so much.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  You're looking at it the other way around: the stats are huge DESPITE the unprecedented lockdowns. If we didn't have lockdowns, the numbers would have been astronomical. We know this because we have seen how things have unfolded in places like Northern Italy and Iran - the hospital system is quickly overwhelmed, and then people start dying by the dozens in each hospital, because they simply can't get any kind of care anymore.
  - josephcsible 6y ago
    > the stats are huge DESPITE the unprecedented lockdowns Another possible interpretation of this is that lockdowns don't really help much. > We know this because we have seen how things have unfolded in places like Northern Italy and Iran I thought those places did have lockdowns.
    - tsimionescu 6y ago
      They were hit very early, and the lockdowns came far later. Famously, the Iranian health minister was on TV announcing that the country doesn't need to take special Covid19 measure while visibly sweating because of the fever caused by his Covid19 infection. If you want positive proof that lockdowns work, the absolute best example is Vietnam: a tiny country of 100 million people which has experienced 1123 total infections so far, with 37 deaths.
    - greedo 6y ago
      Italy didn't have lockdowns until the spread was too extensive. Iran simply lied about what was going on for the majority of the year.

by rconti 6y ago

josephcsible 6y ago

> I don't see why we've suddenly decided to take a microscope to the stats. Because this is the first time that these sorts of stats have been used to curtail everyone's freedom so much.

tsimionescu 6y ago
You're looking at it the other way around: the stats are huge DESPITE the unprecedented lockdowns. If we didn't have lockdowns, the numbers would have been astronomical. We know this because we have seen how things have unfolded in places like Northern Italy and Iran - the hospital system is quickly overwhelmed, and then people start dying by the dozens in each hospital, because they simply can't get any kind of care anymore.
- josephcsible 6y ago
  > the stats are huge DESPITE the unprecedented lockdowns Another possible interpretation of this is that lockdowns don't really help much. > We know this because we have seen how things have unfolded in places like Northern Italy and Iran I thought those places did have lockdowns.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    They were hit very early, and the lockdowns came far later. Famously, the Iranian health minister was on TV announcing that the country doesn't need to take special Covid19 measure while visibly sweating because of the fever caused by his Covid19 infection. If you want positive proof that lockdowns work, the absolute best example is Vietnam: a tiny country of 100 million people which has experienced 1123 total infections so far, with 37 deaths.
  - greedo 6y ago
    Italy didn't have lockdowns until the spread was too extensive. Iran simply lied about what was going on for the majority of the year.