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You said you side with Apple, but why? Better analogy is that Apple is a country with a single party, no elections, that dictates who can make money and how muc

You said you side with Apple, but why? Better analogy is that Apple is a country with a single party, no elections, that dictates who can make money and how much tax they pay. These ecosystems need regulation to enable multiple stores and open APIs.

cassteri 6y ago
Except Apple isn’t a country, it’s a company, so this analogy is useless.
- intricatedetail 6y ago
  Do you know what is an analogy at all?
  - cassteri 6y ago
    Yea, do you?
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- joenathanone 6y ago
  That is the very purpose of an analogy, to compare two unalike things.
  - cassteri 6y ago
    I understand what an analogy is, I also understand that not all analogies are valid, usually when the pretence is so heavily flawed that the analogy crumples. The analogy must be coherent, but a country and company are as alike as a fish sandwich and a turd. The usefulness of the analogy is stretched to the point of uselessness as it is here.
    - Osiris 6y ago
      > a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. the dictionary definition of the word analogy does not include those stipulations that you stated. Any explanation that compares two things meets the definition of analogy. I think you're being pedantic. You can disagree with the comparison, but that doesn't mean it can't be called an analogy.
      - cassteri 6y ago
        My parent comment states the analogy is useless, not that it can’t be called an analogy. It’s an analogy, just not a logically coherent one.
        Osiris 6y ago
        I must have misread or misunderstood the comment before responding. I apologize.
thehappypm 6y ago
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Apple a country.. there's alternatives out there and nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone, which is vastly different from a country, where you are forced to abide by its laws and pay its taxes. It's almost an absurd analogy. If I was to make an analogy, I might say Walmart is a better analogy. Walmart is the biggest store in town, but you do have alternatives and nobody is forcing you to shop there, even if it's kind of hard not to. Walmart does all the legwork of getting customers into the shop, then puts other companies' products on its shelves and sells them for a markup. Their markup? Pretty similar to Apple's fee, roughly 25%.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > there's alternatives out there and nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone In what way is this different than a country or a state? Nobody is forcing you to live in California, you could sell your house and get a different job and a different social cohort and move to Florida. Nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone, you could sell your phone and replace all your apps and convince everyone you know to switch away from iMessage. > where you are forced to abide by its laws and pay its taxes. How are you distinguishing the app store rules and fees from laws and taxes? > Walmart is the biggest store in town, but you do have alternatives and nobody is forcing you to shop there, even if it's kind of hard not to. Walmart doesn't own all the real estate for a hundred miles and then prohibit anyone else from building a store that people who shop at Walmart could reasonably patronize. They don't condition your use of their store on buying their car, which in turn refuses to let you drive to any other store, so that if you want/need any product from Walmart you have to get every product from there. > Their markup? Pretty similar to Apple's fee, roughly 25%. For a brick and mortar store which is paying for local real estate, physical inventory and human cashiers, none of which Apple does and yet they're still charging higher fees.
  - shepik 6y ago
    > you could sell your house But you can't sell apps when you switch platforms, so not really sure how this country/state analogy helps
turtlebits 6y ago
I don't necessarily agree with App store policies, especially when it comes to transparency/consistency of decisions, but you can always choose not to operate/do business in said country.
- zakki 6y ago
  So people who love their country but see the problem can’t change it? Instead they have to leave the country?

cassteri 6y ago

Except Apple isn’t a country, it’s a company, so this analogy is useless.

intricatedetail 6y ago
Do you know what is an analogy at all?
- cassteri 6y ago
  Yea, do you?
  - deleted 6y ago
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joenathanone 6y ago
That is the very purpose of an analogy, to compare two unalike things.
- cassteri 6y ago
  I understand what an analogy is, I also understand that not all analogies are valid, usually when the pretence is so heavily flawed that the analogy crumples. The analogy must be coherent, but a country and company are as alike as a fish sandwich and a turd. The usefulness of the analogy is stretched to the point of uselessness as it is here.
  - Osiris 6y ago
    > a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. the dictionary definition of the word analogy does not include those stipulations that you stated. Any explanation that compares two things meets the definition of analogy. I think you're being pedantic. You can disagree with the comparison, but that doesn't mean it can't be called an analogy.
    - cassteri 6y ago
      My parent comment states the analogy is useless, not that it can’t be called an analogy. It’s an analogy, just not a logically coherent one.
      - Osiris 6y ago
        I must have misread or misunderstood the comment before responding. I apologize.

thehappypm 6y ago

I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Apple a country.. there's alternatives out there and nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone, which is vastly different from a country, where you are forced to abide by its laws and pay its taxes. It's almost an absurd analogy. If I was to make an analogy, I might say Walmart is a better analogy. Walmart is the biggest store in town, but you do have alternatives and nobody is forcing you to shop there, even if it's kind of hard not to. Walmart does all the legwork of getting customers into the shop, then puts other companies' products on its shelves and sells them for a markup. Their markup? Pretty similar to Apple's fee, roughly 25%.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> there's alternatives out there and nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone In what way is this different than a country or a state? Nobody is forcing you to live in California, you could sell your house and get a different job and a different social cohort and move to Florida. Nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone, you could sell your phone and replace all your apps and convince everyone you know to switch away from iMessage. > where you are forced to abide by its laws and pay its taxes. How are you distinguishing the app store rules and fees from laws and taxes? > Walmart is the biggest store in town, but you do have alternatives and nobody is forcing you to shop there, even if it's kind of hard not to. Walmart doesn't own all the real estate for a hundred miles and then prohibit anyone else from building a store that people who shop at Walmart could reasonably patronize. They don't condition your use of their store on buying their car, which in turn refuses to let you drive to any other store, so that if you want/need any product from Walmart you have to get every product from there. > Their markup? Pretty similar to Apple's fee, roughly 25%. For a brick and mortar store which is paying for local real estate, physical inventory and human cashiers, none of which Apple does and yet they're still charging higher fees.
- shepik 6y ago
  > you could sell your house But you can't sell apps when you switch platforms, so not really sure how this country/state analogy helps

turtlebits 6y ago

I don't necessarily agree with App store policies, especially when it comes to transparency/consistency of decisions, but you can always choose not to operate/do business in said country.

zakki 6y ago
So people who love their country but see the problem can’t change it? Instead they have to leave the country?