It's sad, dealing directly with extreme over-engineered enterprise Java libraries to compensate for Clojure's lack of ecosystem erodes all the attractiveness of

It's sad, dealing directly with extreme over-engineered enterprise Java libraries to compensate for Clojure's lack of ecosystem erodes all the attractiveness of the language for doing real-world or hobby applications. OTOH, there is no much benefit today in Clojure over other languages for database backed apps, most of what is considered good Clojure code is more about the methodology than the language per se. The real benefits IMO is when you paired it with Datomic avoiding the impedance mismatch in data structures, but Datomic is another can of worms.