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Yes, I've worked with Jeff and I'm familiar with the post. In fact, Jeff was the one who first invited me to apply for a role at Google after our collaboration

Yes, I've worked with Jeff and I'm familiar with the post. In fact, Jeff was the one who first invited me to apply for a role at Google after our collaboration on the Angular mobile toolkit and it was great working with him :) It's not easy to share such a personal story publicly. I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels. I'm just saying that it's not correct to generalize and gave myself as an example for someone who can't relate to his experience.

zepto 6y ago
Very positive response! It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying. That seems interesting given that he is not the only one saying it.
- mgechev 6y ago
  There's no way for me to know what happened without being part of the team back then. What I'm certain is that he had a bad experience which impacted him negatively and I'm sorry he had to go through this. The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize, giving myself as an example for someone who haven't experienced anything similar.
  - lmohseni 6y ago
    Yikes. Blink twice if you need someone to send help.
- vosper 6y ago
  > It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying I've no idea how you reached that conclusion given that the comment you're replying to says >> I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels.
  - zepto 6y ago
    It’s very quite simple - Mgchev is careful to validate only Jeff’s feelings, and absolutely nothing else about what he says. Indeed he goes on to make this clear: “The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize” This invalidates everything about Jeff’s piece except for his feelings, since the entire piece is an argument that there is a systematic problem with the team that other people have experienced too. There are tweets and quotes to support this. Jeff does generalize, and he does reference other people who had similar experiences. Jeff’s entire reason for writing the piece is to generalize. He doesn’t say ‘I’m sure this is just me’. He argues quite the opposite. If it is ‘not correct to generalize’ - as Mgechev says, then Jeff must be wrong about there being a problem with the team, therefore Mgechev does not believe Jeff. You’ll notice that Mgechev repeats this ‘not correct to generalize’ here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25072705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25072705 Mgechev also says they “can't relate to his experience”. They also make no reference to (or validate) any of the other people who apparently had similar experiences or views of the team. It’s pretty reasonable to conclude that Mgechev doesn’t think there is a problem with the team and wants to convey that to us.
    - bird_monster 6y ago
      "I did not have that experience" in no way implies "No one had that experience."
      - zepto 6y ago
        No, but repeatedly saying “it’s not correct to generalize”, does.
        bird_monster 6y ago
        No, it really does not.
        zepto 6y ago
        It does unless you take it out of context. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25073264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25073264
ghusbands 6y ago
Toxic and abusive people are not toxic and abusive with every single person. You might have not had the same experience, but pointing that out does not really help. The linked article cited many people who suffered the same, so it is an important thing for anyone who might want to be involved in Angular development to know.

zepto 6y ago

Very positive response! It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying. That seems interesting given that he is not the only one saying it.

mgechev 6y ago
There's no way for me to know what happened without being part of the team back then. What I'm certain is that he had a bad experience which impacted him negatively and I'm sorry he had to go through this. The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize, giving myself as an example for someone who haven't experienced anything similar.
- lmohseni 6y ago
  Yikes. Blink twice if you need someone to send help.
vosper 6y ago
> It sounds like you don’t think there is any truth to what he is saying I've no idea how you reached that conclusion given that the comment you're replying to says >> I'm sorry he had such experience and I'm not saying he does not have the right to be upset. He knows the best what he went through and how he feels.
- zepto 6y ago
  It’s very quite simple - Mgchev is careful to validate only Jeff’s feelings, and absolutely nothing else about what he says. Indeed he goes on to make this clear: “The only thing I'm saying is that it is not correct to generalize” This invalidates everything about Jeff’s piece except for his feelings, since the entire piece is an argument that there is a systematic problem with the team that other people have experienced too. There are tweets and quotes to support this. Jeff does generalize, and he does reference other people who had similar experiences. Jeff’s entire reason for writing the piece is to generalize. He doesn’t say ‘I’m sure this is just me’. He argues quite the opposite. If it is ‘not correct to generalize’ - as Mgechev says, then Jeff must be wrong about there being a problem with the team, therefore Mgechev does not believe Jeff. You’ll notice that Mgechev repeats this ‘not correct to generalize’ here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25072705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25072705 Mgechev also says they “can't relate to his experience”. They also make no reference to (or validate) any of the other people who apparently had similar experiences or views of the team. It’s pretty reasonable to conclude that Mgechev doesn’t think there is a problem with the team and wants to convey that to us.
  - bird_monster 6y ago
    "I did not have that experience" in no way implies "No one had that experience."
    - zepto 6y ago
      No, but repeatedly saying “it’s not correct to generalize”, does.
      - bird_monster 6y ago
        No, it really does not.
        zepto 6y ago
        It does unless you take it out of context. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25073264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25073264

ghusbands 6y ago

Toxic and abusive people are not toxic and abusive with every single person. You might have not had the same experience, but pointing that out does not really help. The linked article cited many people who suffered the same, so it is an important thing for anyone who might want to be involved in Angular development to know.