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Well, time will tell ...

by URfejk 6y ago

goatinaboat 6y ago
Well, time will tell ... He joined them in 1996, and has done J++, C# and now TypeScript. They seem quite content for him to just keep making new languages which they throw all their marketing muscle behind.
- phillipcarter 6y ago
  Someone on the internet: MS management will own him, like they do others, he hath been ingested into their belly Me, some rando MS employee who works on languages: yeah, I can actually do pretty much anything that I feel is right, at half the level of Guido (if even that) and a miniscule amount of clout
  - msthrw2020 6y ago
    Chiming in as another rando MS employee who works on languages, while I think "ms will own him" is thoroughly overly dramatic, I made this account to express honest surprise that you feel like you have leeway with little clout. At least in my group our ability to do what we want was directly corresponding how connected/influential our sponsor was, and absent that, I have almost no ability to do what I feel is right, even if I have data backing it up, if the powers that be are in opposition. I don't want to paint this as some universal ms-doing-terrible-things statement, just that I don't personally feel like I have much freedom to assert philosophy or ideology, and I've seen well respected individuals in engineering even up to and above principal/partner die on comparatively minor hills before which makes me think it's not just me. And while I'm being dangerously candid, this to me seems like a prestige hire much like carmack at facebook, and I chuckle at the ado being given in both directions in this thread. I will be pleasantly surprised if this motivates more python support but expect neither good nor bad.
jodrellblank 6y ago
It will? Then make a concrete prediction - what should we expect to see to confirm your claim? What will “Microsoft showing GvR who’s the boss” look like?

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Well, time will tell ...

by URfejk 6y ago

Well, time will tell ...

goatinaboat 6y ago
Well, time will tell ... He joined them in 1996, and has done J++, C# and now TypeScript. They seem quite content for him to just keep making new languages which they throw all their marketing muscle behind.
- phillipcarter 6y ago
  Someone on the internet: MS management will own him, like they do others, he hath been ingested into their belly Me, some rando MS employee who works on languages: yeah, I can actually do pretty much anything that I feel is right, at half the level of Guido (if even that) and a miniscule amount of clout
  - msthrw2020 6y ago
    Chiming in as another rando MS employee who works on languages, while I think "ms will own him" is thoroughly overly dramatic, I made this account to express honest surprise that you feel like you have leeway with little clout. At least in my group our ability to do what we want was directly corresponding how connected/influential our sponsor was, and absent that, I have almost no ability to do what I feel is right, even if I have data backing it up, if the powers that be are in opposition. I don't want to paint this as some universal ms-doing-terrible-things statement, just that I don't personally feel like I have much freedom to assert philosophy or ideology, and I've seen well respected individuals in engineering even up to and above principal/partner die on comparatively minor hills before which makes me think it's not just me. And while I'm being dangerously candid, this to me seems like a prestige hire much like carmack at facebook, and I chuckle at the ado being given in both directions in this thread. I will be pleasantly surprised if this motivates more python support but expect neither good nor bad.
jodrellblank 6y ago
It will? Then make a concrete prediction - what should we expect to see to confirm your claim? What will “Microsoft showing GvR who’s the boss” look like?