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> They were planned to make your private information into a commodity. Are you seriously suggesting then when Apple launched the iPhone it was a plan to spy on

> They were planned to make your private information into a commodity. Are you seriously suggesting then when Apple launched the iPhone it was a plan to spy on you?

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
For sure when Google launched Android it was a part of the plan.
vntok 6y ago
Of course. See iPhones having an active backdoor from the get go [1], NSA slides referring to Jobs as "Big Brother" and iPhone users as "zombies" [2], FSF's analysis of the iPhone and their conclusion that the iPhone is "exposing your whereabouts and providing ways for others to track you without your knowledge" [3], etc. etc. [1] http://www.cellphonedigest.net/news/2008/08/iphone_3g_has_a_kill_switch_co.php http://www.cellphonedigest.net/news/2008/08/iphone_3g_has_a_... [2] https://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/nsa-calls-iphone-users-zombies-and-steve-jobs-big-brother/ https://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/nsa-calls-iphone-users-zo... [3] https://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-the-039-Warden-039-of-iPhone-Owners-89792.shtml https://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-the-039-Warden-039-of-...
njanirudh 6y ago
No but it was done with collection of personal data to make money in mind.
feralimal 6y ago
Did you ever wonder about the discrepancy in tech that occurred at that time the first iPhone appeared? We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! It was such a staggering leap! I think phones were technology that was so far ahead of what we were prepared for, we had no means of defence. With regards to the aims of Apple, Google et al - yes I think they wanted to spy on us from the start. It has always been about better governance of the masses. Corporation owners think they own us - everything we are provided with is only done with a view for them to apply greater governance of us. Historically, it would have been expedient to use stories (religions) to do this, then debt, and now technology. Bringing us to the present, if you ask me, the virus we are apparently experiencing, is just a pretext. It is just another story, that leverages us into a technocracy. They want to boot up a technocratic system that we will all live in from cradle to grave, unaware and unable to do anything about our circumstances. This has been planned since the 1930's - IBM shared work space with Technocracy Inc as it was known then. We are spending our time online, shopping online, isolated, dependent on corporations for the news, our food, intermediating our experiences, etc. We are sold on the future, Elon's neural lace, augmented reality, smart metering/cities, etc. I'm not joking when I say it seems to me that these plans are so progressed, and everyone is so on board, that the human experiment must surely come to an end soon. It will be a great reset, but we're not going to like it. PS Here's a good article from 2016: https://www.technocracy.news/global-smart-grid-technocracys-endgame/ https://www.technocracy.news/global-smart-grid-technocracys-...
- stinos 6y ago
  It was such a staggering leap! In my memory this was a bit different though, or more nuanced at least. There was progress towards smartphones starting halfway the 90s, then somewhere around 2000 there was internet access and the first devices with mail/GPS maps etc came out. Then the first iPhone came, and indeed it was a big step, but cdefinitely not out of nowhere: most or all of the tech itself was already there. Just less polished and not always all of it in the same device.
- tremon 6y ago
  We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! This wasn't all of a sudden. In 1999, I already had a Palm PDA with touchscreen, pen and handwriting recognition. Digital cameras also existed, but were limited by storage size and power efficiency. Handheld color screens were a commodity since the Gameboy Color in 1998, and had existed since the Atari Lynx in 1989. All of those technologies already existed before the iPhone came along. The limiting factor, before 2005, was silicon (transistor) density and power draw, which also saw gradual increases (Moore's Law), not a leap. After 2005 or so, the processors became powerful enough to support a generic OS and that allowed all those technologies to be combined in a single device.
- kortilla 6y ago
  > Did you ever wonder about the discrepancy in tech that occurred at that time the first iPhone appeared? We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! It was such a staggering leap! I was around when it came out. There was no staggering leap. The first iPhone was nowhere near desktop power and the camera wasn’t meaningfully better than what was available in other high-end “feature phones” or the blackberry. The major breakthrough was the real browser and the capacitive touchscreen. It didn’t even have an App Store.
aboringusername 6y ago
Yes. They could add E2EE for all their products (including iCloud), but that wouldn't be acceptable because terrorists and illegal images. Tim Apple is likely in bed with the NSA. For sure everything is backdoored and in 20/30 years time there will be some heroic Snowden type who'll leak what everyone has known but gets called a foil wearing conspiracist. Grapes are delicious.

> They were planned to make your private information into a commodity. Are you seriously suggesting then when Apple launched the iPhone it was a plan to spy on you?

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

For sure when Google launched Android it was a part of the plan.

vntok 6y ago

Of course. See iPhones having an active backdoor from the get go [1], NSA slides referring to Jobs as "Big Brother" and iPhone users as "zombies" [2], FSF's analysis of the iPhone and their conclusion that the iPhone is "exposing your whereabouts and providing ways for others to track you without your knowledge" [3], etc. etc. [1] http://www.cellphonedigest.net/news/2008/08/iphone_3g_has_a_kill_switch_co.php http://www.cellphonedigest.net/news/2008/08/iphone_3g_has_a_... [2] https://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/nsa-calls-iphone-users-zombies-and-steve-jobs-big-brother/ https://venturebeat.com/2013/09/09/nsa-calls-iphone-users-zo... [3] https://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-the-039-Warden-039-of-iPhone-Owners-89792.shtml https://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-the-039-Warden-039-of-...

njanirudh 6y ago

No but it was done with collection of personal data to make money in mind.

feralimal 6y ago

Did you ever wonder about the discrepancy in tech that occurred at that time the first iPhone appeared? We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! It was such a staggering leap! I think phones were technology that was so far ahead of what we were prepared for, we had no means of defence. With regards to the aims of Apple, Google et al - yes I think they wanted to spy on us from the start. It has always been about better governance of the masses. Corporation owners think they own us - everything we are provided with is only done with a view for them to apply greater governance of us. Historically, it would have been expedient to use stories (religions) to do this, then debt, and now technology. Bringing us to the present, if you ask me, the virus we are apparently experiencing, is just a pretext. It is just another story, that leverages us into a technocracy. They want to boot up a technocratic system that we will all live in from cradle to grave, unaware and unable to do anything about our circumstances. This has been planned since the 1930's - IBM shared work space with Technocracy Inc as it was known then. We are spending our time online, shopping online, isolated, dependent on corporations for the news, our food, intermediating our experiences, etc. We are sold on the future, Elon's neural lace, augmented reality, smart metering/cities, etc. I'm not joking when I say it seems to me that these plans are so progressed, and everyone is so on board, that the human experiment must surely come to an end soon. It will be a great reset, but we're not going to like it. PS Here's a good article from 2016: https://www.technocracy.news/global-smart-grid-technocracys-endgame/ https://www.technocracy.news/global-smart-grid-technocracys-...

stinos 6y ago
It was such a staggering leap! In my memory this was a bit different though, or more nuanced at least. There was progress towards smartphones starting halfway the 90s, then somewhere around 2000 there was internet access and the first devices with mail/GPS maps etc came out. Then the first iPhone came, and indeed it was a big step, but cdefinitely not out of nowhere: most or all of the tech itself was already there. Just less polished and not always all of it in the same device.
tremon 6y ago
We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! This wasn't all of a sudden. In 1999, I already had a Palm PDA with touchscreen, pen and handwriting recognition. Digital cameras also existed, but were limited by storage size and power efficiency. Handheld color screens were a commodity since the Gameboy Color in 1998, and had existed since the Atari Lynx in 1989. All of those technologies already existed before the iPhone came along. The limiting factor, before 2005, was silicon (transistor) density and power draw, which also saw gradual increases (Moore's Law), not a leap. After 2005 or so, the processors became powerful enough to support a generic OS and that allowed all those technologies to be combined in a single device.
kortilla 6y ago
> Did you ever wonder about the discrepancy in tech that occurred at that time the first iPhone appeared? We were all using desktops or fairly clunky laptops. Then, out of nowhere, we have touchscreens, cameras, maps, etc AND the power of a desktop machine, in a device that's 1/20th the size! It was such a staggering leap! I was around when it came out. There was no staggering leap. The first iPhone was nowhere near desktop power and the camera wasn’t meaningfully better than what was available in other high-end “feature phones” or the blackberry. The major breakthrough was the real browser and the capacitive touchscreen. It didn’t even have an App Store.

aboringusername 6y ago

Yes. They could add E2EE for all their products (including iCloud), but that wouldn't be acceptable because terrorists and illegal images. Tim Apple is likely in bed with the NSA. For sure everything is backdoored and in 20/30 years time there will be some heroic Snowden type who'll leak what everyone has known but gets called a foil wearing conspiracist. Grapes are delicious.